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| Subject | Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics |
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
| Message-ID | <lDsAC.30867$FZ2.20280@fx33.iad> (permalink) |
| Date | 2018-04-14 15:28 -0400 |
On 4/14/2018 3:00 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 13.04.2018 um 21:03 schrieb benj:
>> So what is the number 1 dumbest belief in physics?
>>
>> That has to be the view of the aether deniers.
>>
>> Their view is that electomagnetic waves do not need a medium. To sum up
>> their religion, it is that light, heat, radio etc. are all produced by
>> "probability waves in nothing at all"! By denying aether they make the
>> bold assertion that nothing at all can have properties. That the
>> "nothing" of space can have properties. When it comes to electromagnetic
>> phenomena, they suggest that behavior can exist without anything which
>> possesses the behavior. It's clearly an insane view.
>>
>> Take the case of waves. Waves by definition are stresses in SOMETHING
>> that can propagate outward from one point to another. Can one stress
>> "nothing at all"? The question makes no sense at all. Hence if radio
>> energy is waves then it is stresses of some kind in space that propagate
>> outward. If space is "nothing at all" then WHAT is being stressed?
>>
>> The whole aether denier theory has sunk into a morass where only blind
>> religious belief can save it from the mental hospital. It clearly is NOT
>> science, so what is it doing there?
>
>
> Actually you can create something from nothing. This is called 'pair
> production'.
>
> If you create two worlds and populate each one with one of the twins,
> each world would look like ours.
>
> Now you certainly say: that is not possible.
>
> But actually it is. If you have two anti-symmetric rotations, which add
> together to nothing, than one could move - say - down and the other up.
>
> In spacetime view you only need two directions of time: one forward and
> one backwards (which is 'down' in the view of relativity).
>
> Both these world have internally positive directions of time, only in
> respect to the other they are both negative.
>
> So the worst mistake in physics is not the denial of 'aether', but the
> assumption of a universal ('external') time.
>
> If you would give that up, you could find much better models.
>
> TH
Time is a separate problem. Pair production isn't exactly something from
nothing. pairs do not spontaneously arise out of "nothing" like the BB
theory. of course you do end up with matter and antimatter and charge of
both positive and negative types. But what does that mean? Nobody knows
what charge is. The rule is charge is conserved. Can't be created from
nothing unless you create equal and opposite amounts. But are you
"creating" charge? Or are the charges always there but just invisible
because they cancel each other out? It's a key question.
> btw: my own model you find here
>
> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6
I have seen this before very interesting, only if you include a few more
dimensioins in your spacetime" you'd be much closer to a TOE.
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The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-13 15:03 -0400
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:09 -0700
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 11:09 -0700
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 11:30 -0700
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-14 21:00 +0200
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 12:15 -0700
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-14 15:28 -0400
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 12:50 -0700
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 13:05 -0700
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-14 22:07 +0200
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 06:14 +0100
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-16 13:50 +0200
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-16 21:10 -0700
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-16 21:56 -0700
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-18 21:10 +0200
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