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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics
Date 2018-04-22 17:40 +0200
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Am 22.04.2018 um 02:43 schrieb Tom Roberts:
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>
> In modern physics we don't "assign properties to space" (or to points).
> Instead we model the world as a fiber bundle, with a Lorentzian base
> manifold. The fibers, of course, are the quantum fields of the theory.

Who is 'we'??

And why don't you allow points to have features?


I personally try to promote an idea I call 'structured spacetime'.

The term 'spacetime' is meant in way like Herman Minkowski used it and 
is regarded as physical entity.

The term 'space' refers a certain subset. These 'structures' are (among 
others) what I call 'timelike stable patterns' (aka matter).

The idea of points with features would make sense, if you would allow a 
different space than the Euclidean.

I assume something similar to a quaternion field. This is actually a 
real physical space and is composed from pointlike 'elements'.

A main difference to standard physics is, that it allows different local 
directions of time.

So timelines can have an angle and even opposite directions.

If we would start from nothing and allow two opposite timelines point in 
opposite directions and leaving behind something, which would actually 
add to nothing (if it could add). Then along any timeline we find a 
different 'world', which is equipped with a different 'universe'.

(This 'universe' is actually the own past light cone of the observer.)

The resulting spaces would then have points with features.

These features can build certain patterns and those are what we call 
'matter'.

Only: this matter is 'relative', too, since 'timelike' is based on the 
local timeline of the observer.


(long version can be found here:

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6
)


As proof of concept I would like to mention:
- Growing Earth
- a phenomenon called 'magic dust'

TH

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The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-13 15:03 -0400
  The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:08 -0700
  Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:09 -0700
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      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-21 16:56 +0200
        Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-21 13:43 -0400
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          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-21 19:43 -0500
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              Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-22 09:07 -0700
              Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-23 10:47 -0500
                Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-26 20:12 +0200
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