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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics |
| Date | 2018-04-14 22:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fjf5c1Fdr59U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <ja7AC.845$sd3.418@fx03.iad> <fjf1dnFcveaU1@mid.individual.net> <lDsAC.30867$FZ2.20280@fx33.iad> |
Am 14.04.2018 um 21:28 schrieb benj:
> On 4/14/2018 3:00 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 13.04.2018 um 21:03 schrieb benj:
>>> So what is the number 1 dumbest belief in physics?
>>>
>>> That has to be the view of the aether deniers.
>>>
>>> Their view is that electomagnetic waves do not need a medium. To sum up
>>> their religion, it is that light, heat, radio etc. are all produced by
>>> "probability waves in nothing at all"! By denying aether they make the
>>> bold assertion that nothing at all can have properties. That the
>>> "nothing" of space can have properties. When it comes to electromagnetic
>>> phenomena, they suggest that behavior can exist without anything which
>>> possesses the behavior. It's clearly an insane view.
>>>
>>> Take the case of waves. Waves by definition are stresses in SOMETHING
>>> that can propagate outward from one point to another. Can one stress
>>> "nothing at all"? The question makes no sense at all. Hence if radio
>>> energy is waves then it is stresses of some kind in space that propagate
>>> outward. If space is "nothing at all" then WHAT is being stressed?
>>>
>>> The whole aether denier theory has sunk into a morass where only blind
>>> religious belief can save it from the mental hospital. It clearly is NOT
>>> science, so what is it doing there?
>>
>>
>> Actually you can create something from nothing. This is called 'pair
>> production'.
>>
>> If you create two worlds and populate each one with one of the twins,
>> each world would look like ours.
>>
>> Now you certainly say: that is not possible.
>>
>> But actually it is. If you have two anti-symmetric rotations, which
>> add together to nothing, than one could move - say - down and the
>> other up.
>>
>> In spacetime view you only need two directions of time: one forward
>> and one backwards (which is 'down' in the view of relativity).
>>
>> Both these world have internally positive directions of time, only in
>> respect to the other they are both negative.
>>
>> So the worst mistake in physics is not the denial of 'aether', but the
>> assumption of a universal ('external') time.
>>
>> If you would give that up, you could find much better models.
>>
>> TH
>
> Time is a separate problem. Pair production isn't exactly something from
> nothing. pairs do not spontaneously arise out of "nothing" like the BB
> theory. of course you do end up with matter and antimatter and charge of
> both positive and negative types. But what does that mean? Nobody knows
> what charge is. The rule is charge is conserved. Can't be created from
> nothing unless you create equal and opposite amounts. But are you
> "creating" charge? Or are the charges always there but just invisible
> because they cancel each other out? It's a key question.
>
>
>> btw: my own model you find here
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6
>
> I have seen this before very interesting, only if you include a few more
> dimensioins in your spacetime" you'd be much closer to a TOE.
The paper is already ten years old and not quite, what I would write
today. Now I have learned a lot of new things and certainly can improve
this idea.
But I have always suffered from the problem to be just one single person
and having no support whatsoever. This made it a little annoying to work
on a subject, that (apparently) nobody wants.
Complex four vectors seem to be the key to the question. Unfortunately
the are not that easy to use. So I had mainly 'painted' the relations I
assume important.
But certainly I'll be able soon to program something in 'Euler' or in
'Lazarus', which could create something more mathematical than my pictures.
TH
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 12:15 -0700
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-14 15:28 -0400
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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 13:05 -0700
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-14 22:07 +0200
Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 06:14 +0100
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