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Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics
Date 2018-04-14 21:00 +0200
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Am 13.04.2018 um 21:03 schrieb benj:
> So what is the number 1 dumbest belief in physics?
>
> That has to be the view of the aether deniers.
>
> Their view is that electomagnetic waves do not need a medium. To sum up
> their religion, it is that light, heat, radio etc. are all produced by
> "probability waves in nothing at all"! By denying aether they make the
> bold assertion that nothing at all can have properties. That the
> "nothing" of space can have properties. When it comes to electromagnetic
> phenomena, they suggest that behavior can exist without anything which
> possesses the behavior. It's clearly an insane view.
>
> Take the case of waves. Waves by definition are stresses in SOMETHING
> that can propagate outward from one point to another. Can one stress
> "nothing at all"? The question makes no sense at all. Hence if radio
> energy is waves then it is stresses of some kind in space that propagate
> outward. If space is "nothing at all" then WHAT is being stressed?
>
> The whole aether denier theory has sunk into a morass where only blind
> religious belief can save it from the mental hospital. It clearly is NOT
> science, so what is it doing there?


Actually you can create something from nothing. This is called 'pair 
production'.

If you create two worlds and populate each one with one of the twins, 
each world would look like ours.

Now you certainly say: that is not possible.

But actually it is. If you have two anti-symmetric rotations, which add 
together to nothing, than one could move - say - down and the other up.

In spacetime view you only need two directions of time: one forward and 
one backwards (which is 'down' in the view of relativity).

Both these world have internally positive directions of time, only in 
respect to the other they are both negative.

So the worst mistake in physics is not the denial of 'aether', but the 
assumption of a universal ('external') time.

If you would give that up, you could find much better models.

TH



btw: my own model you find here

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6



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The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-13 15:03 -0400
  The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:08 -0700
  Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:09 -0700
    Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:24 -0700
      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 13:15 -0700
        Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 13:19 -0700
    Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-13 19:21 -0400
      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:24 -0700
        Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-14 14:06 +0000
          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 11:09 -0700
          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-14 14:19 -0400
      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-21 16:56 +0200
        Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-21 13:43 -0400
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          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-21 19:43 -0500
            Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-22 17:40 +0200
              Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-22 09:07 -0700
              Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-23 10:47 -0500
                Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-26 20:12 +0200
                Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 12:57 -0700
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          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-14 13:53 +0000
          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-14 14:14 -0400
        Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-14 14:10 -0400
          Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 11:26 -0700
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      Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 20:24 -0700
  Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-13 22:51 -0500
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  Re: The #1 DUMBEST Belief in Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-14 21:00 +0200
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