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Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal
Date	2025-01-05 22:10 +0100
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On 2025-01-05 11:41, Graham J wrote:
> In the words of Spike Milligan: "What are we going to do now?"
> 
> The SPMs (Sub Post Masters) have no trust in the PO (Post Office), and 
> the replacement for Horizon - called NBIT - is not yet on the horizon! I 
> think the PO is doomed.
> 
> So what do we need the PO for?
> 
> Postal Service.  This is what the GPO (General Post Office) did 
> originally; collect and deliver mail. It was extended to become the 
> citizen's contact point with government: paying pensions and benefits; 
> providing basic banking; and handling passports, car tax, driving 
> licenses, etc.  It received income for this so allowing small shops to 
> operate sub post offices.  We still need the postal service for its USO 
> (Universal Service Obligation) and RMG (Royal Mail Group) now (since 
> separating from the PO in 2012) provides this and pays the PO (and other 
> outlets) for selling postage stamps.
> 
> Banking.  This is the only other useful function provided by the PO, and 
> it is only because traditional high street banks no longer operate 
> anywhere other than large towns and cities.  All government payments to 
> citizens are now paid into bank accounts so it would be sensible to 
> force banks to meet a USO on opening hours and easy access for 100% of 
> the population.
> 
> Everything else is done via the internet which suggests that internet 
> connectivity should meet a USO.
> 
> What happens in other countries?  Is there an equivalent to the PO?  Is 
> banking easily available to the whole population?  How does the average 
> citizen interact with government?

Spain.

We have the Post Office, which handles mail, letters and packages. Does 
not handle banking (they had a bank window maybe two decades ago), but 
there is talk of handling some banking in small villages where banks 
refuse to maintain an office and leave the people stranded. I don't know 
what is the current status of this.

Passports are handled solely by the police, same as ID cards. Taxes, by 
agencies of the respective governments (and internet). Driving license, 
by the traffic department; but you can renew the license at some clinics 
and they handle everything. Similarly for hunting licenses.

Ah, if you can't manage to pay a tax on internet, some of them can be 
paid on banks.

Some official forms to be filled are sold by the official tobacco shops. 
They are an official concession, so they fill that role. They also sell 
stamps.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 10:41 +0000
  Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 16:49 +0000
    Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 21:54 +0000
      Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2025-01-06 09:35 +0000
        Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 10:55 +0000
          Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-06 10:05 -0500
            Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 17:49 +0000
              Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-06 17:32 -0500
                Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-16 23:52 +1100
          Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:01 +0000
            Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-07 08:45 +0000
              Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 13:57 +0000
      Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 15:14 +0000
  Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-05 15:42 -0500
    Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 21:57 +0000
      Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-05 17:22 -0500
      Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-26 08:42 -0500
        Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-02-26 14:45 +0000
  Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 22:10 +0100
  Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-06 01:46 +0200
    Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 21:44 -0500
    Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 08:28 +0000
      Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-07 16:09 +0200
  Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 07:37 +0000
    Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 08:33 +0000
      Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 18:33 +0000
        Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 19:06 +0000
          Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:11 +0000
            Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-07 08:55 +0000
              Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:00 +0000
                Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-07 15:16 +0000
                Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-07 11:14 -0500
                Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-07 18:09 +0000
                Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-07 15:08 -0500
                Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 07:45 +0000
                Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 08:25 +0000
                Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-26 21:54 +1100
    Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-01-07 16:20 +0000

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