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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10 |
| Subject | Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal |
| Date | 2025-01-08 07:45 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vllaek$2mep2$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 1/7/2025 1:09 PM, Graham J wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> The reason Post Offices must "stay the course", is they need income, badly.
>>> You can't chuck away anything that makes money. You could for
>>> example, have a lemonade stand at the PO, just so they can make
>>> a bit of cash on the side.
>>
>> In the UK the reality is that small POs exist within shops, the idea
>> being that on their own they would never have been viable, but POs were
>> expected to bring in enough extra custom to make the small shop a
>> sensible proposition. The financial side is quite separate, the only
>> place that money changes hands is for possible rental income arising
>> from the part of the shop used as the PO and the income paid to the sub
>> post-master for the work involved in running the PO.
>>
>>> If they stop doing things, just handling letter mail is never going to
>>> work. I stand by my contention, that a letter that costs $1 today to
>>> mail, is going to cost $40 ten years from now, simply because the PO
>>> won't be around to deliver it. It will fail, as a business enterprise,
>>> and some courier using Uber drivers will deliver your hamburger and
>>> that Christmas card.
>>
>> In the UK the letter mail is handled completely by Royal Mail Group
>> (RMG) - which is not the same thing as the Post Office. RMG may lease
>> space from the PO for sorting and delivery purposes - and in the past
>> such space was part of the PO - until the (completely pointless)
>> administrative separation of RMG and the PO in 2012.
>>
>> In the UK RMG has the USO (Universal Service Obligation) - unlike any of
>> the competing enterprises - so it will of course be expensive just as
>> you suggest. If the government wishes to force the USO on RMG in the
>> future I imagine it will have to finance it. Government may decide that
>> the USO is no longer needed because everything can be done over the internet.
>>
>>> Some things in society, are going out of touch. Too expensive.
>>> Public transit for one. Letter mail and even parcel mail for another.
>>> The parcel mail here, is every bit as expensive as a courier would be,
>>> and I just don't like the optics of the trend. It can't get cheaper,
>>> and the Post Offices can't open up enough Lemonade Stands to compensate
>>> for their operating costs. Perhaps they can offer shoe shines.
>>> Or re-sole your shoes for you.
>>
>> Amazon requires the parcel delivery facility, and it's evident that they
>> have their own staff and vehicles for this, which can't be efficient.
>> There's no such thng as "signed-for" deliveries and in my experience
>> anything that is not delivered in a reasonable time is simply
>> re-supplied. So the losses in delivery must be quite significant.
>> Perhaps explains why Amazon is so expensive!
>>
>
> Our Post is modular too, not all the people doing things for
> you are unionized postal workers. A fair number of them are
> private or franchise. The Post Office here, bought its own
> courier firm. It's not clear at which point, the parcels
> leave the post office and go to the courier branch.
>
> These are all of the "previous efficiencies" that are
> bringing us to the brink of bankruptcy. The Post Office
> needs to be 400% more efficient, the available leverage
> might manage 10% more efficiency. Even if you fired all
> the unionized employees ("union busting"), that's still
> not enough to make them cash flow positive.
That's because physical mail is dead. The "Post Office" concept needs to
reinvent itself. A Community Hub as is happening here in the UK, seems to
be an option.
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Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 10:41 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 16:49 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 21:54 +0000
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Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 10:55 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-06 10:05 -0500
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 17:49 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-06 17:32 -0500
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Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:01 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-07 08:45 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 13:57 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 15:14 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-05 15:42 -0500
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 21:57 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-05 17:22 -0500
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Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-02-26 14:45 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 22:10 +0100
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-06 01:46 +0200
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 21:44 -0500
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 08:28 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-07 16:09 +0200
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 07:37 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 08:33 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 18:33 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-06 19:06 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:11 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-07 08:55 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:00 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-07 15:16 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-07 11:14 -0500
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-01-07 18:09 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-07 15:08 -0500
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 07:45 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 08:25 +0000
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-26 21:54 +1100
Re: Very OT: UK Post Office and the Horizon Scandal Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-01-07 16:20 +0000
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