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Re: SQL filesortcc question

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Date 2015-08-01 15:30 -0700
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Subject Re: SQL filesortcc question
From Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com>

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On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 11:16:24 PM UTC+1, James Kuyper wrote:
> 
> I would assume that your K&R C code did not use 'const' as an identifier
> in a way that conflicted with it's C90 status as a keyword (one of the
> exceptions I explicitly acknowledged). If so, then the only way you
> could have ran into problems due to the fact that C90 added 'const' is
> if those problems were the result of 'const' being added in appropriate
> locations to the declarations of identifiers that are not in your code -
> either standard headers or third-party library headers. Such changes are
> examples of "changes to ... [K&R C] features that you are actually
> using". As such, the problems you ran into are correctly covered by the
> statement I made, with "C90" replaced by "K&R C".
>
No, you've failed to understand.
if I provide subroutines that are not "const correct" then callers who
attempt to impose const correctness face problems. So the existence
of const has implications. If we all agree that const is deprecated,
then of course we can write const-free code and everything will work.
But you can't expect such an agreement when providing code for
use by people whose identity may be unknown.

Whilst const is an obvious example, it's not the only one. If caller
is used to a stream of arbitrary bytes being a uint8_t *, he's not
going to be happy casting to an unsigned char, even though it's
almost certainly a no-op (his code will break on non CHAR_BIT 8
machines, code that ses unsigned char probably won't). Even if you 
think you're retaining backwards compatibility, you're often not really, 
the legacy code might still compile, but it becomes less usable.

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