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Re: SQL filesortcc question

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: SQL filesortcc question
Date 2015-08-01 22:23 -0700
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
> On 02/08/15 01:24, Malcolm McLean wrote:
[...]
>> The elephant is Windows.
>> Microsoft withheld C99 support from its compiler for a long time.
>> In the hosted world, any routine that purports to be portable but
>> won't compile under a Microsoft system is useless.
>>
>
> For a lot of "portable" code, that elephant was irrelevant - for a great 
> deal of C code, the biggest issue with MSVC is lack of POSIX rather than 
> lack of C99.  And when you want your C99 code to run on Windows you 
> could always use gcc (mingw or cygwin), clang, or even Borland.
>
> But fortunately, that particular MSVC elephant is pretty much dead now, 
> as far as I understand it, with C99 support in current versions.

Do you have a citation for that?  My understanding, as of not
terribly long ago, is that Microsoft was adding *partial* C99 support
to their C compiler -- specifically that they were adding only C99
features that are also C++ features.  I think C99 *library* support
is reasonably good (because C++ incorporates the C standard library),
but support for C99 *language* features is still very incomplete.

If Microsoft supports VLAs, flexible array members, restrict,
compound literals, designated initializers, and so forth, then I'll
be pleasantly surprised.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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        Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-17 09:07 +1200
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          Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-20 19:27 +0100
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-28 04:49 +0100
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-28 09:32 +0000
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-27 22:33 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-28 04:57 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-28 16:38 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-28 00:51 -0400
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-28 10:02 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-28 22:08 +1200
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 00:13 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-30 01:49 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 02:07 +0100
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 08:25 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-30 09:15 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 17:17 +0100
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-30 15:12 -0400
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-31 10:29 +0100
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-02 09:19 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-09 14:23 +0000
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-02 06:35 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-02 19:11 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-02 10:28 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-03 09:04 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-03 00:19 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-03 13:55 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-03 07:03 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-03 16:53 +0200
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-06 21:20 +0200
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-06 13:49 +0100
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-07 07:24 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-07 17:04 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-02 06:48 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-04 08:00 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-04 08:52 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 11:56 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-08-04 23:45 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-05 08:45 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 12:00 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-01 13:17 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-01 16:11 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 14:00 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 10:40 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 16:20 -0700
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-22 19:26 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-22 05:39 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 13:51 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 10:38 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 16:14 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-02 01:15 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 16:24 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-02 02:32 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 12:57 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-01 22:23 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-02 01:21 -0500
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-02 19:21 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-02 14:05 -0500
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-02 01:24 -0500
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 23:56 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-09 14:25 +0000
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-30 14:19 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-29 19:53 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-29 23:45 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-30 04:22 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 13:13 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 13:27 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 13:57 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 14:11 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 14:39 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 15:05 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 14:03 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-30 11:22 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-29 18:32 -0700
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-30 10:56 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-30 22:28 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 10:57 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-03 08:02 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-03 08:33 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-08-03 20:50 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-04 04:52 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-04 06:08 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-04 14:20 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-04 06:45 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 12:15 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-03 19:09 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-04 06:09 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-04 14:40 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 13:24 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-05 21:51 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-05 17:16 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-05 19:59 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-06 07:51 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-06 17:32 -0700
            Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-25 10:04 -0700
        Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-07-21 13:23 +0200
          Re: SQL filesortcc question raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-22 15:14 +0000
          Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-25 15:25 -0700
            Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-26 11:31 +1200
              Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-25 17:10 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-26 13:29 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-25 23:51 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-26 20:24 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-26 03:02 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:22 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-26 15:04 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:32 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-26 16:49 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-27 21:46 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-27 04:53 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-26 14:58 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-26 15:15 -0700
      Re: SQL filesortcc question doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-07-16 19:47 +0000
  Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-16 09:55 +1200

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