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Re: SQL filesortcc question

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: SQL filesortcc question
Date 2015-08-01 15:36 +0100
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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:

> On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 1:55:53 PM UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
>> 
>> > That particular "weakness" is a fair enough point.
>> 
>> Right.  So, just to be clear, you have now withdrawn both of the points
>> you raised.  When James said:
>>
> No, because it's a fair enough principle that input-only parameters
> should be marked "const".  There are also reasons for not so doing, 
> such as to maintain compatibility with pre-const compilers, to
> reduce visual clutter, and because const tends to lead to lead
> to programming errors which are hard to correct, when something is
> const-qualified accidentally.

None of that has anything to do with what James (and I) said, and I see
you've cut the remark in question again from the quotes.  This suggests
you don't really want to address it (probably because you now agree with
it).

The remark was about post C90 changes that would affect the portability
of C90 code, to which you said "That's not really true" and preceded to
give an example that showed nothing at all about post C90 changes.

I won't re-instate the quote again -- the one you say is not not really
true -- because you'll probably just cut it again and talk about why you
don't like const.  If you still think James's remark is not really true
(essentially a summary of what had been said earlier), put the quote
back yourself and have another go at giving evidence to support that
position.

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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