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Re: Why "9/11" ?

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups alt.conspiracy
Subject Re: Why "9/11" ?
Date 2016-01-01 22:21 +0100
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Am 01.01.2016 19:47, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):
..
>>
>> In this case we have the 'government' (here: King James) and the
>> question was, if this government could fake such an event and whether or
>> not it would fit to the political agenda of that time.
>>
>> So: was King James capable of killing totally innocent Catholics?
>>
>> Yes! Sure he was, since he was the one who was behind the burning of
>> 'witches'.
>>
>
>       That he was capable is not the same as his having done so.
>       You are *capable* of committing any number of atrocities. This
> doesn't mean you've ever done so.
>       How does the burning of witches in the 1600s connect to Guy
> Fawkes and/or the Jesuits?
>
>> These 'witches' were completely innocent of any kind of crime. So then
>> government WAS capable of killing innocent in the most barbaric fashion.
>>
>
>       How can you know they were innocent of any crime? That's a very
> bold statement.
>       Where any guilty of witchcraft? Most probably not. But that's not
> the claim you've made about them.
>
>> Was the reason a fake? Yes, sure, the reason to kill witches was based
>> on evil bullshit, which was created by that king.
>>
>
>       And completely irrelevant to Guy Fawkes or the Jesuits.

If the guy was a fake, this would be relevant.

So: do we know with certainty, a real person named Guy Fawkes had lived 
in London of that time?


>> Had he reason to scare people away from Catholicism?
>>
>> YES!! Sure, that was his main attempt!
>>
>
>       I wait your evidence for this claim. Not that you'll offer any.
Well, most of the things I claim I don't know from own experience. But 
Google knows everything and about almost everything exist a Wikipedia page.

So I simply quote Wikipedia about the role of King James in the relation 
of the people of England to the Catholic Church:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I_and_religious_issues

Quote:

"After the Gunpowder Plot, the third Catholic conspiracy against his 
person in three years, James sanctioned stricter measures to suppress 
them. In May 1606, Parliament passed an act which could require any 
citizen to take an Oath of Allegiance, entailing a denial of the pope's 
authority over the king.[10] James believed that the Oath was merely 
concerned with civil obedience, a secular transaction between king and 
subject; but it provoked opposition among Catholics, as it did not 
explicitly restrict itself to political matters.[11] In early 1606, the 
Venetian ambassador reported James as saying: "I do not know upon what 
they found this cursed doctrine that they are permitted to plot against 
the lives of princes".[12] James' policy aimed at punishing a few 
instead creating bloodshed; Jesuits and seminary priests should simply 
be asked to leave the country.[13] James proved lenient towards Catholic 
laymen who took the Oath of Allegiance,[14] and tolerated 
crypto-Catholicism even at court. Henry Howard, for example, outwardly 
professed Protestantism but remained a Catholic in private and was 
received back into the Roman church in his final months."


>> He wanted to reign over the church and could only do this, by creating
>> an alternative church, since the pope was the head of the Catholics.
>>
>
>       He already reigned over the Church of England. History does not
> show he had any interest in reigning over the Roman Catholic Church.
> He simply wanted the Catholics out of England.


Politicians should keep away from religion. They may have a believe, but 
should not reign over a church.

But King James wanted exactly this: a 'theocracy'. That is the 
unification of political power with spiritual power over the churches.

This was a very bad idea, especially in the case of medieval England. 
Years of hostility followed for no obvious reason and tensions between 
the Anglican/Protestant Churches and the Catholics.

But King James wanted especially 'spiritual control', since the church 
has influence on the mind.

The only way to reign over the people of England as head of their church 
was to create a new religion and force the English people into it.



>> The 'gun-powder plot' would fit perfectly into this scenario, if we
>> would assume, it was a fake to promote Anti-Catholic propaganda.
>
>       But assumptions mean nothing. Why are you so UNABLE to understand
> this?

We do not agree in this subject. I present stories, that I have invented 
and you have to right to disprove them (if you like).

TH

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  Re: Why "9/11" ? Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 15:53 +1100
  Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-23 21:18 -0800
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  Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 03:59 -0600
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                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 06:31 +0000
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