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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.conspiracy |
| Subject | Re: Why "9/11" ? |
| Date | 2016-01-03 17:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <det02pFd1fcU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (7 earlier) <db10300b-1a76-4572-adf1-cbeaafb6b9b7@googlegroups.com> <demvtpFr1v0U1@mid.individual.net> <j6id8b9pqdvs9chqmaas3qfnhia620bd3b@4ax.com> <deo8v5F74irU1@mid.individual.net> <f3ff8b5293llc0jpsp15m3i9um94o0omcp@4ax.com> |
Am 02.01.2016 13:05, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3): .. >> So I simply quote Wikipedia about the role of King James in the relation >> of the people of England to the Catholic Church: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I_and_religious_issues >> >> Quote: >> >> "After the Gunpowder Plot, the third Catholic conspiracy against his >> person in three years, James sanctioned stricter measures to suppress >> them. In May 1606, Parliament passed an act which could require any >> citizen to take an Oath of Allegiance, entailing a denial of the pope's >> authority over the king.[10] James believed that the Oath was merely >> concerned with civil obedience, a secular transaction between king and >> subject; but it provoked opposition among Catholics, as it did not >> explicitly restrict itself to political matters.[11] In early 1606, the >> Venetian ambassador reported James as saying: "I do not know upon what >> they found this cursed doctrine that they are permitted to plot against >> the lives of princes".[12] James' policy aimed at punishing a few >> instead creating bloodshed; Jesuits and seminary priests should simply >> be asked to leave the country.[13] James proved lenient towards Catholic >> laymen who took the Oath of Allegiance,[14] and tolerated >> crypto-Catholicism even at court. Henry Howard, for example, outwardly >> professed Protestantism but remained a Catholic in private and was >> received back into the Roman church in his final months." >> > > Thank you for proving my claim, while disproving your own. > >>>> He wanted to reign over the church and could only do this, by creating >>>> an alternative church, since the pope was the head of the Catholics. >>> >>> He already reigned over the Church of England. History does not >>> show he had any interest in reigning over the Roman Catholic Church. >>> He simply wanted the Catholics out of England. >> >> >> Politicians should keep away from religion. They may have a believe, but >> should not reign over a church. >> > > Perhaps not. But it's a bit late to object to King James' role as > the head of the Church of England. Well, that would not be a big problem and he could have been head of whatever he liked. This wasn't the topic, but '9/11'. I have mentioned the 'gunpowder plot' because there are certain similarities to 9/11/2001 and certain strange connections. One strange connection was Pocahontas and the so called 'First Families of Virginia', to which the family Bush belonged. They have been 'first' in the settlement with the 'London Company', which was implemented by that King James. Also certain features of both stories seem to be similar: explosions large buildings lone terrorists religious motivation of these terrorists speculations about conspiracies (in which the government seemed to be involved) suppression of (innocent) followers of this religion extremely harsh punishment (with public execution) >> But King James wanted exactly this: a 'theocracy'. That is the >> unification of political power with spiritual power over the churches. >> > > At the time, he had both. Cromwell didn't cause the separation > until roughly 28 years after King James I had died. Before he hadn't, since the Catholic Church had the Pope as head of the Church. >> This was a very bad idea, especially in the case of medieval England. > > A bit late to worry about it now. Well, actually I didn't worry about King James. What worries me was the other (much more recent) event. >> Years of hostility followed for no obvious reason and tensions between >> the Anglican/Protestant Churches and the Catholics. >> >> But King James wanted especially 'spiritual control', since the church >> has influence on the mind. >> >> The only way to reign over the people of England as head of their church >> was to create a new religion and force the English people into it. >> > > Yet he didn't do either. As far as I know, he forced the citizens of England to swear an oath of allegiance to the King and his superiority in questions of believe. (see above) TH
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Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-24 05:28 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 15:53 +1100
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-23 21:18 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-24 00:14 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 03:59 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 03:59 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-25 08:58 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 14:07 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-26 19:53 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 05:27 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-28 07:24 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 03:58 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-29 04:45 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 04:56 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-29 22:24 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:44 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-30 06:52 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 03:48 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-30 22:18 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:54 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? dmaster <dan.woj@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 09:32 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 14:14 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-01 10:41 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 12:47 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-01 22:21 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 06:05 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-03 17:20 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 15:24 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-05 06:36 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 23:13 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 03:56 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 01:14 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-05 20:20 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 21:02 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2016-01-06 00:37 -0500
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 22:43 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 06:30 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 22:41 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 04:22 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 20:32 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-07 06:37 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 03:34 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 23:47 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 00:03 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 01:10 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 01:14 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:56 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 09:01 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:33 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 09:30 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:34 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:55 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:55 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-08 18:27 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? edrhodes@hotmail.com - 2016-01-06 19:42 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-07 06:34 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 03:34 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? edrhodes@hotmail.com - 2016-01-07 01:54 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-08 07:01 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:55 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-09 10:05 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:38 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2016-01-09 10:28 -0500
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 12:10 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 14:29 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 14:34 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2016-01-10 10:08 -0500
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 16:51 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 01:00 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 01:37 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 01:42 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 01:45 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 04:19 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 04:18 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 04:17 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-17 06:07 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 05:23 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-02 23:41 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-25 15:14 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-25 16:22 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-25 19:42 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 00:29 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 00:38 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> - 2015-12-29 03:10 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 01:49 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 02:07 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 02:35 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 02:46 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 04:56 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-29 13:05 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-29 08:52 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-29 16:59 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 02:44 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 13:37 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:45 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 04:56 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-29 08:59 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2015-12-29 18:23 -0500
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:45 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2015-12-30 06:33 -0500
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 02:25 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-30 07:56 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 16:20 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-30 10:32 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-30 17:54 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:53 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-31 04:36 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-31 01:29 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 05:23 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 05:23 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 17:58 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-30 16:26 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 23:08 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-02 13:46 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-02 23:31 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-03 08:58 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-03 20:22 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2016-01-03 14:37 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 15:24 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-03 22:35 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2016-01-03 19:57 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-04 03:04 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 06:31 +0000
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 04:05 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 04:04 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 23:58 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 23:43 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:53 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-17 08:11 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-17 08:33 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 01:13 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 01:36 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2016-01-17 04:10 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 22:48 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 04:35 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 03:34 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 03:55 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 19:55 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 05:25 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 05:24 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 05:24 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-17 17:52 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2016-01-17 13:55 -0500
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 17:19 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-18 04:33 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 14:38 +1100
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 23:12 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 23:27 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 04:35 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-24 04:51 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-27 03:56 +0100
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 03:59 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 20:40 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 18:39 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 02:37 -0800
Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:52 -0600
Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-25 16:30 -0800
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