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Re: Why "9/11" ?

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups alt.conspiracy
Subject Re: Why "9/11" ?
Date 2015-12-29 04:45 +0100
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Am 28.12.2015 10:58, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):

>>
>> In Germany we had several events, that happened on dates with 9 and 11.
>>
>> E.g. the Berlin Wall was opened at 9.11.1989.
>>
>> The Republic was declared on a 9.11.
>>
>> Also these atrocities called 'crystal night' was on a 9.11. (in German
>> notation, of course, what is 11/9 in US-format)
>
>        November 9th?
Well, yes: 9.11. in the date-format used in Germany is the 9th of November.

>>
>> So I have collected hints for events, that could possibly be a
>> state-sponsored fake.
>>
>
>       No, you've taken random events and forced a connection that isn't
> actually there.
>
>> Most prominent:
>>
>> the so called 'gun-powder plot'.
>>
>> This is somehow similar to 9-11 (2001), since the story contains similar
>> elements (lone bad guys, terrorists, explosion, large building,
>> religious unrest, settlement of unrest).
>>
>> But it was not a 9th of November, but a fifth.
>>
>
>       So, like so much of what you post, completely irrelevant to the
> discussion.

No, if the 'gun-powder-plot' was in fact an early version of what 
apparently 9/11 (2001) seems to be : state-sponsored false flag 
operations, to utilise religious tensions for martial law and other 
atrocities.

Here we have King Jacob I. who could eventually have an interest in the 
event (to push out Catholic influence from England and to strengthen his 
own government).

 From King James to George W. Bush exists a direct personal link, btw.

It is a totally amazing story:
  The king gave two Corporations the right to create a colony in the 
than New World.

This was the 'Virginia Company of London', who founded the settlement in 
what is now the USA on basis of a corporation, with shareholders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Company

This Company held the colonies as private property and brought settlers 
there as 'temporal slaves'. They got the promise of land and the right 
to settlement in exchange for seven years of work.

The Indians in that regions were initially not hostile, but tried to 
appease the settlers. To create peace, the daughter of an Indian Chief 
married an Englishmen: Pocahontas.

 From this the so called 'First Families of Virginia' derived, including 
the Bush family.


Now we need to investigate, where we have suspicious stories, with 
little or no evidence from other side, than those involved or those , 
who profited.

In case of Pocahontas we now with certainty, that someone married. But 
the offspring does not look much like Native Americans. So I would doubt 
the nationality of Pocahontas, until proven otherwise. Instead I would 
assume, the entire story is an early form of propaganda and does not 
contain a grain of truth (despite the fact that a couple married).

Similar the 'gun-powder plot'.

King Jacob was - in my eyes - an exceptionally questionable person and I 
would not believe in a single of his words.

So is the story at least possible?

Well, if you assume, that a few lone 'terrorists' row two and half ton 
of gunpowder across the River Themse and plant it below the parliament, 
to blow up the King and this would happen undisturbed and unnoticed.

The story 'smells' - to say the least.

TH

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Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-24 05:28 +0100
  Re: Why "9/11" ? Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 15:53 +1100
  Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-23 21:18 -0800
    Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-24 00:14 -0800
    Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 03:59 -0600
  Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 03:59 -0600
    Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-25 08:58 +0100
      Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 14:07 -0600
        Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-26 19:53 +0100
          Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 05:27 -0600
            Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-28 07:24 +0100
              Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 03:58 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-29 04:45 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 04:56 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-29 22:24 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:44 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-30 06:52 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 03:48 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-30 22:18 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:54 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? dmaster <dan.woj@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-12-31 09:32 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 14:14 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-01 10:41 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 12:47 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-01 22:21 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 06:05 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-03 17:20 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 15:24 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-05 06:36 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 23:13 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 03:56 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 01:14 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-05 20:20 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 21:02 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2016-01-06 00:37 -0500
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 22:43 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 06:30 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 22:41 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 04:22 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 20:32 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-07 06:37 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 03:34 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 23:47 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 00:03 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 01:10 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 01:14 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:56 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 09:01 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:33 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 09:30 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:34 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:55 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:55 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-08 18:27 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? edrhodes@hotmail.com - 2016-01-06 19:42 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-07 06:34 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 03:34 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? edrhodes@hotmail.com - 2016-01-07 01:54 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-08 07:01 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:55 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-09 10:05 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:38 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2016-01-09 10:28 -0500
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 12:10 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 14:29 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 14:34 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2016-01-10 10:08 -0500
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 16:51 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 01:00 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 01:37 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 01:42 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 01:45 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 04:19 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 04:18 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 04:17 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-17 06:07 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 05:23 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-02 23:41 -0800
  Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-25 15:14 -0600
    Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-25 16:22 -0800
      Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-25 19:42 -0600
        Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 00:29 -0800
          Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 00:38 -0800
            Re: Why "9/11" ? PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> - 2015-12-29 03:10 -0600
              Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 01:49 -0800
              Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 02:07 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 02:35 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 02:46 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 04:56 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-29 13:05 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-29 08:52 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-29 16:59 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 02:44 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 13:37 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:45 -0600
          Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 04:56 -0600
          Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-29 08:59 -0600
            Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2015-12-29 18:23 -0500
              Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:45 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2015-12-30 06:33 -0500
            Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-30 02:25 -0800
              Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-30 07:56 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 16:20 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-30 10:32 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-30 17:54 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:53 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-31 04:36 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-31 01:29 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 05:23 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 05:23 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 17:58 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-12-30 16:26 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-30 23:08 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-02 13:46 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-02 23:31 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-03 08:58 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-03 20:22 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2016-01-03 14:37 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 15:24 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-03 22:35 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2016-01-03 19:57 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-04 03:04 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 06:31 +0000
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 04:05 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 04:04 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 23:58 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 23:43 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:53 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-17 08:11 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-17 08:33 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 01:13 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 01:36 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2016-01-17 04:10 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 22:48 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 04:35 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 03:34 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 03:55 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 19:55 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 05:25 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 05:24 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 05:24 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-17 17:52 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2016-01-17 13:55 -0500
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 17:19 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-18 04:33 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Government Shill #2 <gov.shill@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 14:38 +1100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 23:12 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 23:27 -0800
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 04:35 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-24 04:51 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-27 03:56 +0100
                Re: Why "9/11" ? "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 03:59 -0600
                Re: Why "9/11" ? joeturn <joeturn2@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 20:40 -0800
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