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Re: Twins and the universe

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Twins and the universe
Date 2015-11-17 18:51 +0100
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Am 17.11.2015 05:36, schrieb Tom Roberts:

>> 'Universe' is meant as synonym for 'space':
>
> Not really.
>
>
>> everything we see in the night sky, somewhere remote, that are the
>> stars and
>> other celestial bodies. In sum all of these bodies and the surrounding
>> space is
>> the universe.
>
> Not really. The universe includes objects we cannot see.
>
>
>> But this universe is also the same thing, that relativity calls 'past
>> light cone'.
>
> No. Not even close.
>
> The past light cone is the VISIBLE universe, not the whole universe.
>
>
>> This is so, because 'seeing' requires light and light travels along
>> the light-cone.
>
> Yes. That's why the past light cone is the VISIBLE universe.
>
>
>> In relativity-lingo this cone is defined as an angle to our own 'axis
>> of time'
>> of 45°.
>
> When using suitable units such that c=1.

I prefer: c= 45°


C is an angle in spacetime, where velocities go from zero to infinity. 
Zero velocity is the angle of zero, infinite velocity is than 90°.

The angle zero is stable in respect to the observer. This observer 
defines the 'axis of time'. Any observer does, just by being somewhere.

This is his (personal) axis of stability, to which belongs his 
(personal) axis of time.

This axis is 'co-moving' and what the observer sees, that is, what he 
calls 'universe'.

Only: this axis is 'relative', since it is his personal view on the 
world. Other observer have other views, hence have different idea about 
time (and space).

But more interesting is, that observers also could disagree about 
whether or not a certain thing is a material object (or not).

To understand this, I should explain my concept about what matter 
actually is:

This 'zero angle' is called 'timelike'. This is the ways, that matter 
behaves. Matter is (in my own model) a 'timelike stable pattern' (of/in 
spacetime).

The opposite direction to timelike is called 'spacelike', which is the 
realm, that you could reach only with infinite velocities.

This is like being there without delay, since there is no time-interval 
for a space interval. This would be v=infinity.

Now I assume a spectrum from zero (0°) to infinity (90°). (The middle is 
45° or c. )

If such connections would exist, the timelike relation behaves like mass 
and the spacelike relation like a static field.

After some contemplation you will find, this would be a good description 
of an atom.

BUT this would mean: matter is kind of 'relative'.

Also 'relative' is time and what we regard as universe.


..


TH

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                Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:34 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-09 20:45 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-10 21:23 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 15:42 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 03:01 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 20:06 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 06:21 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 01:08 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 04:00 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 07:32 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 16:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:27 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 22:48 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 18:11 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 06:22 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 01:23 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 04:13 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 21:30 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 16:25 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 14:35 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Ted Striker <tedstrickdr@mailaccount.org> - 2015-11-12 22:47 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-13 05:25 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 20:49 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 05:02 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 10:11 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 11:10 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 12:11 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-15 19:58 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-15 21:09 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-15 22:25 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-15 22:37 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-16 05:45 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-15 23:19 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 21:11 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-15 23:29 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 23:40 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-16 00:22 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-17 04:46 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-16 22:36 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-16 23:25 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-17 18:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-18 06:42 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-19 05:32 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-19 13:11 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-19 22:33 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbertopal.org> - 2015-11-19 21:47 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 14:21 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-20 04:41 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-19 22:36 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-14 04:54 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 16:18 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:32 -0600

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