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Re: Twins and the universe

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Twins and the universe
Date	2015-11-05 21:00 +0100
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Am 05.11.2015 17:47, schrieb Odd Bodkin:

>> Well, if science would be based on experimental data only, than the
>> explanation must explain the experimental data (only).
>
> That's right.
>
>>
>> But that's not, what we have. E.g. we have a jesuit priest named
>> LeMaitre, who 'found' a physical interpretation for the book Genesis
>> (called 'Big bang theory').
>
> Which would have meant nothing unless it matched experimental data,
> which it did. Hence it became scientifically valid.


But it's not valid. I would like to quote Alexander Franklin Mayer about 
this, since he found, that Hubbles law seems to violate experimental data.

His method was to sort a huge star catalogue into 'bins' of similar 
distance.

If stars are somehow randomly distributed, the number of star in these 
bins should be proportional to the volume covered by such a 'bin'.

But there was a discrepancy in the range of four orders of magnitude.

This a VERY large discrepancy and that deserves an explanation. His 
explanation was, that the assumption, that redshift is proportional to 
distance, would be wrong.

It was a little more complicated than that and possibly I have 
misinterpreted something. But Mayer did argue along this line.

He said, that stars with very different redshift seem to be 
gravitationally connected. This would mean, that redshift is not a valid 
way to estimate distance.

And that would make a key assumption of big-bang theory invalid.

>>
>> And we have several 'laws', that are actually violated occasionally in
>> nature, but are held as universally valid.
>>
>> e.g. there are certain conservation laws, that aren't universally valid:
>>
>> conservation of mass, for example.
>
> But conservation of mass is NOT held to be a universally valid law. I
> don't know why you thought it was. Any others?


Conservation of energy, second law of thermodynamics, conservation of 
charge.

>>
>> If physicist would base their concepts on evidence, (instead of what
>> they think is true,) we would have other models. But actually we would
>> have only one single model about the world and not zillions.
>
> I really don't think that's true. There are in fact multiple models
> about the world, not one. Most of them are awaiting experimental test
> and are not considered "valid" until they are. There are not zillions,
> because literally thousands of models have been already found to be
> inconsistent with experimental data.

As I have 'found' my own model, I have a tendency to promote my own ideas.

So my point of view has a certain bias (towards my own ideas). But 
that's ok, as far as I can tell.

>>
>> In fact the number is slightly smaller, but there are millions of papers
>> on arxiv.org and it's simply impossible, that all are valid.
>
> You are right, not all of them are valid.
>
>>
>> And who's going to sort out the wrong ones?
>>
>
> Experimentalists, of course. That's how theories are tested.

Actually the server gets more and more input, but apparently nobody 
removes things.

So I wonder, how long this will last.

Now we have 2.5" hard-drives containing Terabytes. So they could store 
every  single paper ever written.



TH

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Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-30 23:40 +0100
  Re: Twins and the universe paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 16:15 -0700
  Re: Twins and the universe John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 18:49 -0700
    Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 09:02 +0100
  Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 22:03 -0500
    Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-30 21:30 -0700
      Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-30 21:39 -0700
        Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 20:00 -0800
    Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 00:03 -0700
      Re: Twins and the universe crisd <crisdunbar@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 14:08 -0800
        Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 23:01 -0800
    Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 09:11 +0100
      Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 13:28 -0600
        Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 21:32 -0800
          Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 10:19 -0600
            Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-04 01:41 +0100
              Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-04 02:09 +0100
              Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 21:51 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 22:27 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-04 09:24 +0100
              Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:48 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-04 06:43 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-05 04:19 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 10:47 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-05 21:00 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-06 05:46 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 20:54 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 07:54 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 19:28 -0800
            Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 22:10 -0800
        Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 01:22 -0800
    Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-31 10:04 -0500
      Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-01 09:36 +0100
        Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 10:14 -0600
          Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-03 19:45 +0100
            Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-07 08:52 -0600
              Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-07 17:02 +0100
          Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-09 08:13 -0800
            Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 10:25 -0600
              Re: Twins and the universe Open Collector <openc@opencollector.org> - 2015-11-09 19:00 +0000
              Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-09 11:55 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:51 -0600
            Re: Twins and the universe Open Collector <openc@opencollector.org> - 2015-11-09 18:59 +0000
    Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-01 06:25 -0800
    Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-01 06:49 -0800
      Re: Twins and the universe Wayne Olmstead <wayols@eclipseevenet.org> - 2015-11-01 14:55 +0000
      Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 09:32 -0600
        Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 01:15 -0800
        Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-07 07:59 -0800
          Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 09:23 -0600
            Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-09 08:23 -0800
              Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 10:27 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-09 12:22 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:58 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-10 06:07 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:32 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-10 06:54 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 13:44 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-11 06:19 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 09:12 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-11 12:47 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 15:02 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-14 06:52 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Ty Knotts <TyKnotts@hotmail.org> - 2015-11-14 16:14 +0000
    Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-07 07:49 -0800
  Re: Twins and the universe fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-10-30 21:58 -0700
  Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-31 05:58 +0100
    Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 09:14 +0100
      Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-31 10:14 +0100
        Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 11:14 +0100
          Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-01 05:16 +0100
            Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-01 09:11 +0100
              Re: Twins and the universe John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:13 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-01 23:03 -0800
              Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-03 05:42 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 01:31 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-04 01:34 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 23:51 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-05 00:30 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-05 10:16 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 18:17 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-07 16:41 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 18:35 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-07 16:42 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe alsor@interia.pl - 2015-11-05 11:43 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 18:14 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 20:21 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 20:30 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 18:00 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-07 03:07 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-07 05:35 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-07 06:28 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-07 09:02 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Edgardo Alcantara <edgardoalcantara@carosseryrepair.org> - 2015-11-07 15:09 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-07 17:05 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-08 07:52 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 04:38 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 13:58 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 05:38 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 15:24 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 06:36 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 07:13 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 16:18 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 07:32 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 16:48 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 16:15 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-08 14:22 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 13:41 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 23:18 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-08 19:05 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-08 20:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-08 13:55 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 14:00 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-08 14:13 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-09 05:58 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-10 04:31 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:34 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-09 20:45 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-10 21:23 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 15:42 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 03:01 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 20:06 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 06:21 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 01:08 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 04:00 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 07:32 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 16:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:27 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 22:48 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 18:11 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 06:22 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 01:23 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 04:13 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 21:30 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 16:25 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 14:35 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Ted Striker <tedstrickdr@mailaccount.org> - 2015-11-12 22:47 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-13 05:25 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 20:49 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 05:02 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 10:11 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 11:10 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 12:11 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-14 04:54 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 16:18 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:32 -0600

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