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Re: Twins and the universe

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Twins and the universe
Date 2015-11-04 09:24 +0100
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Am 04.11.2015 04:51, schrieb Tom Roberts:

>>> Note to readers: Koobee Wublee is among the most persistent idiots
>>> around here. He has been repeating this nonsense for many years,
>>> without any attempt to learn the subject he tries to write about.
>>> I reply to him only occasionally, as a service to readers who may
>>> not recognize his mistakes. He has proven himself to be unable
>>> and unwilling to learn anything.
>>
>> You speak from an assumed superiority of your own point of view.
>
> No. I speak from KNOWLEDGE OF GR. After all, the subject here is
> explicitly GR.
>
>
>> But how to criticize this point of view?
>
> One MUST understand GR. That leaves you out, and KW, and almost everyone
> who contributes to this newsgroup.


Well, no.

I actually think, that GR is correct, but would like to replace tensors 
by complex-four-vectors.

Unfortunately I have not yet developed such a model, but others have:
http://pws.prserv.net/jonathan_scott/physics/diraceqn.pdf

Complex-four-vectors are also called 'bi-quaternions'.

The associated math is a little tricky, but I can draw quite well. So I 
base my understanding on pictures (instead of formulas) and have put 
them into my 'book':

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6

Such a method is kind of 'illegal' in physics, but that would not bother 
me much, since I regard physics as a hobby.

..
>
>> E.g. I assume - for example- the formula E=m*c² contains a serious error.
>> If I say, that formula is wrong, you may reply, that I should learn.
>
> Right -- such an "assumption" is hopeless, and you DO need to learn,
> because in the context of SR is it not wrong. Note that SR has been
> confirmed by every test performed within its domain, and has been
> refuted by NONE. It is among the best-tested theories/models we have.
>
> Fools and idiots around here who claim otherwise simply do
> not understand the issues.


Who decides, who is the fool?

>
>> But I say, what I shall learn is wrong, even if I had learned that
>> already.
>
> You did not learn it, you "learned" errors.
>
>
>> So how to adjust, what is in the textbooks?
>
> You can "adjust" by LEARNING ABOUT MODERN PHYSICS. There is no shortcut,
> and no other way. What is in the textbooks is what I said.

Yes, I know. But what if I suggest, something in the textbook is wrong.

For example: I assume, that 'Growing Earth' is actually correct and 
'plate tectonics' is not.

So my assumptions are in harsh contrast to mainstream understanding, but 
I can - nevertheless - provide evidence in favour of my assumption.

Actually I have spent years on this subject and failed to convince a 
single person in the mainstream.

There are loads of outsiders, that also believe GE is true. But insiders 
apparently dislike the idea of GE. And they also like to defend 'their' 
territory.

This behaviour is violating certain principles of science (like 
delivering, what is true in an objective sense).

So we encounter something like 'voodoo-science', where its 
'high-priests' tell, what the believers shall swallow.

Since I'm an amateur, I don't know any of these priests and could not 
know, what you want me to learn.



TH

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      Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-31 10:14 +0100
        Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 11:14 +0100
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                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-05 10:16 +0100
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                Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 18:14 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 20:21 -0800
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                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-07 03:07 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-07 05:35 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-07 06:28 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-07 09:02 -0600
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                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 07:32 -0800
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                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:27 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 22:48 +0100
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