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Re: Twins and the universe

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Twins and the universe
Date 2015-11-17 04:46 +0100
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Am 16.11.2015 06:11, schrieb Ross A. Finlayson:
> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 1:25:40 PM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 15.11.2015 21:09, schrieb Maciej Woźniak:
>>>
>>>
>>> Użytkownik "Thomas Heger" napisał w wiadomości grup
>>> dyskusyjnych:das2u2Ft0quU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> Experiments to the statement above.
>>>> Experiments shows, that in physics the decisions are made
>>>> by High Gurus.
>>>>
>>>
>>> |Experiments can be made in other realms than physics.
>>> |We have in fact the possibility to conduct experiments in biology,
>>> |medicine or in social sciences.
>>>
>>> Physics is most abstractional of them. It has a lot of mathematics
>>> inside... and mathematics means axioms. Though, of course,
>>> assumptions are important in any science.
>>
>> You cannot conduct experiments in mathematics.
>>
>> Mathematics is a tool, that physicists use, to make quantitative models.
>> Only: these models are not reality.
>>
>> The relation between model and the real world is similar to a menu and
>> the real food, they serve in a restaurant.
>>
>> 'Experiments' are more like what children do, when they play. These
>> little 'scientists' explore their environment usually by 'experiments'
>> (what happens, if I do this....?).
>>
>> After such experimental phase, the results are cast into a usable model
>> - for which  mathematics is required.
>>
>> Another part is observation, like that of stars or other natural phenomena.
>>
>> To make observations or to plan an experiment, there are usually ideas
>> necessary. These ideas are essential and are not related to mathematics,
>> but stem from observation of a phenomenon and trying to find an
>> explanation.
>>
>> TH
>
> Certain universal notions are via definition.
>
> The universe, of things, for example, is "all
> that is any thing or things".
>
> In philosophy then you can confront whether it
> is a "pathological definition" or "inconsistent
> multiplicity" where the "domain principle" (that
> the universe exists) is a more or less fungible
> "idea".

'Universe' is meant as synonym for 'space':
everything we see in the night sky, somewhere remote, that are the stars 
and other celestial bodies. In sum all of these bodies and the 
surrounding space is the universe.

But this universe is also the same thing, that relativity calls 'past 
light cone'.

This is so, because 'seeing' requires light and light travels along the 
light-cone.

In relativity-lingo this cone is defined as an angle to our own 'axis of 
time' of 45°.

So: we cannot see the universe, but only a small fraction in a somehow 
distorted manner. Especially there is a delay with distance, hence we 
see events together, that did not happen at the same time.

This is insofar no problem, if physicists would take the delay into 
account and that light is only a specific type of interaction.

Well, would be, if they would, but apparently they don't. Instead 
Einstein invented a way to obscure this delay by making simultaneity 
'relative' and postulating, that the speed of light is absolute.


> Then, for constructivist mathematics as follows
> propositional logic, for a plainly direct and
> constructivists mathematics (no "proofs by
> contradiction"), any qualitative models'
> exceptions to those as the ground rules (i.e.
> the Grundgezetsen) are again only mathematical
> and model-fitting, vis-à-vis, "un-mathematical",
> here in the "scientific".
>
> I recommend "Time, Chance, and Reduction" for
> a modern course in statistical mechanics, then
> for that the Standard Model is quite very sound.

If matter is 'relative', than the standard model of qm must be wrong.

This is so, because the standard model is based on the 'particle 
concept'. Particles are assumed to be created in an initial hot and fast 
'big-bang'.

BUT: if 'Growing Earth' would be true, than matter is created (what 
would include particles of any kind) constantly, much closer and less hot.

TH

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                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 13:41 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 23:18 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-25 18:29 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-25 11:43 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-08 19:05 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-08 20:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-08 13:55 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 14:00 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-08 14:13 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-09 05:58 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-10 04:31 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:34 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-09 20:45 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-10 21:23 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 15:42 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 03:01 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 20:06 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 06:21 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 01:08 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 04:00 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 07:32 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 16:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:27 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 22:48 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 18:11 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 06:22 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 01:23 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 04:13 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 21:30 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 16:25 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 14:35 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Ted Striker <tedstrickdr@mailaccount.org> - 2015-11-12 22:47 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-13 05:25 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 20:49 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 05:02 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 10:11 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 11:10 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 12:11 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-15 19:58 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-15 21:09 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-15 22:25 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-15 22:37 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-16 05:45 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-15 23:19 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 21:11 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-15 23:29 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 23:40 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-16 00:22 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-17 04:46 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-16 22:36 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-16 23:25 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-17 18:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-18 06:42 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-19 05:32 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-19 13:11 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-19 22:33 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbertopal.org> - 2015-11-19 21:47 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 14:21 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-20 04:41 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-19 22:36 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-14 04:54 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 16:18 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:32 -0600

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