Re: The Ensemble Interpretation.

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, alt.atheism, alt.philosophy, alt.talk.creationism, sci.logic, sci.skeptic
Subject	Re: The Ensemble Interpretation.
Date	2015-10-23 11:32 +1100
Message-ID	<d8tdhdFt15U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References	(2 earlier) <d8qr0pFbfq7U1@mid.individual.net> <8s66ok.fq8.17.1@news.alt.net> <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.21{11.47P.Seattle.2015}> <d8rj5jFgptdU1@mid.individual.net> <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.22{2.59A.Seattle.2015}>

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On 22/10/2015 8:59 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> Sylvia_Else wrote: > there is no underlying process about which we
> could, > in principle, have knowledge, and thereby be able to > look
> behind the randomness [of quantum mechanics]. Ignorance is ignorance,
> Sylvia, no matter if the truth is attainable or not.

There's a distinction between a truth that exists, but is not 
discoverable, and a truth that is simply non-existent. Applying the 
unqualified word "ignorance" in the latter case is rather unhelpful.

For example, we do not know the highest prime number. This is not a case 
of ignorance - the reason we do not know it is that there is no such thing.

This seems to be case with quantum mechanics. Our inability to predict 
the outcome of a quantum interaction is not due to our failing to know 
something about the internal state of the particles involved, but arises 
because there is nothing there to know. The result is random, and that's 
all that can be said about it.

Sylvia

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rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 17:47 -0400
  Re: rolling dice is not random? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-10-21 22:13 +0000
  Re: rolling dice is not random? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-10-21 22:22 +0000
    Re: rolling dice is not random? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 17:37 -0500
      Re: rolling dice is not random? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-10-21 22:54 +0000
        Re: rolling dice is not random? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-10-21 23:19 +0000
          Re: rolling dice is not random? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-10-21 23:34 +0000
          Re: rolling dice is not random? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 17:45 -0700
            Re: rolling dice is not random? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-10-22 04:14 +0000
  Re: rolling dice is not random? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-22 09:45 +1100
    Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 20:12 -0400
      Re: rolling dice is not random? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-22 12:04 +1100
        Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 22:21 -0400
          Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-22 18:56 +1100
            Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> - 2015-10-22 03:09 -0700
            Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 16:36 -0400
              Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 23:49 -0400
            Re: The Ensemble Interpretation. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-23 11:32 +1100
              Re: The Ensemble Interpretation. Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 20:40 -0400
                Re: The Ensemble Interpretation. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-23 11:50 +1100
            Re: The Ensemble Interpretation. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 17:33 -0700
          Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. The BORG <borg@future.com> - 2015-10-24 15:27 +0100
            Re: "Life" is virtual, not real. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-10-25 13:54 +1100
  Re: rolling dice is not random? bilgat@m.nu - 2015-10-21 18:46 -0500
    Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 20:13 -0400
  Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-21 22:48 -0400
    Re: rolling dice is not random? John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-10-22 09:57 +0100
      Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 16:32 -0400
        Re: rolling dice is not random? John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-10-22 22:53 +0100
          Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 19:36 -0400
            Re: rolling dice is not random? John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-10-23 10:26 +0100
              Re: rolling dice is not random? "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@sci.research.careers.i.have.shorter.stature.can.i.grow.taller> - 2015-10-24 09:56 +0000
          Re: rolling dice is not random? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 19:20 -0500
            Re: rolling dice is not random? R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-10-23 00:38 +0000
  Re: rolling dice is not random? Hans Wussel <hanswussel@openmailbox.org> - 2015-10-22 19:40 +0200
    Re: rolling dice is not random? Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2015-10-22 16:38 -0400
      Re: rolling dice is not random? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 14:21 -0700
      Re: rolling dice is not random? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 15:41 -0700
        Re: rolling dice is not random? "Raymond Luxury Yacht" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-10-22 19:37 -0700
        Re: rolling dice is not random? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 22:58 -0400
          Re: rolling dice is not random? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:51 -0700
  Re: rolling dice is not random? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-24 14:56 -0700
  Re: rolling dice is not random? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 13:13 -0700
    Re: rolling dice is not random? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-26 15:31 -0700
      pi for .. those guys noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:29 -0700
      Re: rolling dice is not random? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:45 -0700

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