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Re: The Ensemble Interpretation.

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On 10/22/2015 08:32 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 22/10/2015 8:59 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>> Sylvia_Else wrote: > there is no underlying process about which we
>> could, > in principle, have knowledge, and thereby be able to > look
>> behind the randomness [of quantum mechanics]. Ignorance is ignorance,
>> Sylvia, no matter if the truth is attainable or not.
>
> There's a distinction between a truth that exists, but is not
> discoverable, and a truth that is simply non-existent. Applying the
> unqualified word "ignorance" in the latter case is rather unhelpful.
>
> For example, we do not know the highest prime number. This is not a case
> of ignorance - the reason we do not know it is that there is no such thing.


aren't the prime numbers a set whose cardinality is countable?




>
> This seems to be case with quantum mechanics. Our inability to predict
> the outcome of a quantum interaction is not due to our failing to know
> something about the internal state of the particles involved, but arises
> because there is nothing there to know. The result is random, and that's
> all that can be said about it.

not knowing doesn't equate with a definition?



>
> Sylvia
>


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