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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Really? |
| Date | 2017-02-08 16:26 -0800 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <87y3xgus3r.fsf@nightsong.com> (permalink) |
| References | <o7dn86$1paq$1@gioia.aioe.org> <87fujpw2kh.fsf@nightsong.com> <o7enab$10ck$1@gioia.aioe.org> <2017Feb8.184844@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> |
anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes: > About the problems of the project, it says: > |If You want to point any fingers. it was because of the editor. The > |editor was a concept picked up from Forth - it was the typical Forth > |line editor extended to this glorious What You See Is What You Get. I found an old clf post mentioning Valdocs while looking for the FD article. The mention is brief but I thought the surrounding points were also interesting. Jonah Thomas, comp.lang.forth 2003-07-18 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.forth/7gWtjMoQXk8/Wr0yBdbZMWsJ : The central thing Forth depends on is KISS. We've consistently rejected complicated solutions when simpler solutions work. The result is fewer co-adaptations, where you can't change one thing because it's built into a bunch of other things. We do have some of that but not very many. Giving up blocks removed a lot of them. Blocks gave an integrated editor, and fast integrated compiling, and a sort of paged virtual memory, and something you could easily turn into a somewhat inferior database, etc. It wasn't the best solution for very much but it gave an easy adequate solution for a whole lot. I read that using blocks was a fundamental cause of the Valdocs failure so many years ago. They started out with blocks and then ran into limits and instead of throwing them out and starting over they tried to design around them and ran out of time. Now we use blocks when the problem demands them instead of wherever they look good enough. It takes longer and we probably get better solutions.
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