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Re: European Moon Village plan

From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: European Moon Village plan
Followup-To sci.space.history
Date 2016-01-24 18:17 +0100
Organization PointedEars Software (PES)
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Thomas Heger wrote:

> Am 19.01.2016 20:58, schrieb jamesl51165@gmail.com:
>>> European Moon Village plan
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/european-space-boss-crazy-moon-village-plan-151401886.html
>>>
>>> Cool, huh? But first they need to ask nasa, since they planted
>>> their flag overthere first
> 
> The Chinese had been unable to find these flags.

They were not looking for them and they did not have the right equipment in 
the first place.  There have been three Chinese missions to the Moon so far:

Chang'e 1’s CCD stereo camera’s pixel spatial resolution was 200 m, and the 
orbiter took the images from a circular orbit of 200 km altitude. [1]

Chang'e 2’s camera obtained images at a resolution of ca. 7 m from 15 to 
100 km altitude [2] – still too coarse to tell a flag from a rock.

Chang'e 3 was a lander and rover mission only.  It was planned to land at 
Sinus Iridum (“Bay of Rainbows”), but landed on Mare Imbrium (“See of 
Storms”).  The flags were planted during the Apollo 11 mission near 
Tranquility Base, on Mare Tranquillitatis (“Sea of Tranquility”) instead.  
For landing, Chang'e 3 did not orbit over Mare Tranquillitatis [3].  
Chang'e 3’s landing site is, based on the Google Moon map, about 16 km (or 
more) away from Tranquility Base.  The rover, Yutu (“jade rabbit”), had a 
maximum range of 10 km.  “Yutu traveled 374 feet (114 meters) on the moon in 
a zigzag fashion before a glitch ended its travels in January 2014.” [4]
IOW, that mission did not come anywhere near Tranquility Base which would 
have enabled it to support your claim.


[1] 
<http://wayback.archive.org/web/20120331032311/http://www.cjss.ac.cn/qikan/manage/wenzhang/2010-05-02.pdf>

[2] <http://www.space.com/14536-china-moon-map-change-2-images.html>

[3] <http://astrogatorsguild.com/?p=1217>

[4]
<http://www.space.com/28810-moon-history-chinese-lunar-rover.html?cmpid=514630_20150312_41994886&adbid=10152690360766466&adbpl=fb&adbpr=17610706465>

> There are also sceptics of various kind and degree, which claim, that
> moon-landings had been faked.

The proper term for those people is “lunatics” ;-)

And they are still unable to explain how we can get reflections off mirrors 
known to be planted on the Moon during the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions if 
no human had ever put a foot on the surface of the Moon so far.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment>

> Also: ownership of land is not created by planting a flag pole there.
> Usually you had to buy that land from the owner.

If there is an owner (that you can trade with).  As regards outer space, 
there is not.
 
>>> Who would take part?
> 
> Well, EU-countries had a problem recently with lots of refugees.

They still have.

> Maybe they could take part...

Yeah, first throw their countries into chaos, then ship them off to the 
Moon…  It seems your stupidity knows no end.


F'up2 sci.space.history where you can get yourself educated for a change.

PointedEars
-- 
A neutron walks into a bar and inquires how much a drink costs.
The bartender replies, "For you? No charge."

(from: WolframAlpha)

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European Moon Village plan Lawrence Senreich <lawest@galaxyredeems.org> - 2016-01-19 18:33 +0000
  Re: European Moon Village plan jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 11:58 -0800
    Re: European Moon Village plan Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-22 05:52 +0100
      Re: European Moon Village plan Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-24 18:17 +0100
        Re: European Moon Village plan NG <www@www.org> - 2016-01-24 18:25 +0000
        Re: European Moon Village plan Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-24 19:39 +0100

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