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  European Moon Village plan Lawrence Senreich <lawest@galaxyredeems.org> - 2016-01-19 18:33 +0000
    Re: European Moon Village plan jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-01-19 11:58 -0800
      Re: European Moon Village plan Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-22 05:52 +0100
        Re: European Moon Village plan Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-01-24 18:17 +0100
          Re: European Moon Village plan NG <www@www.org> - 2016-01-24 18:25 +0000
          Re: European Moon Village plan Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-01-24 19:39 +0100

#374398 — European Moon Village plan

European Moon Village plan
http://news.yahoo.com/european-space-boss-crazy-moon-village-plan-151401886.html

Cool, huh? But first they need to ask nasa, since they planted 
their flag overthere first

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Who would take part?
"Russia has some lunar missions planned, so why not have them 
as part of the Moon Village?" asked Woerner, noting also that 
"the Chinese are planning some lunar missions."
He also said he did not mind that some think his idea hare-brained.
"The word 'crazy' is exactly something I would like," he said. 
"We have to think out of the box. That means new ideas."
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#374404

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 10:33:10 AM UTC-8, Lawrence Senreich wrote:
> European Moon Village plan
> http://news.yahoo.com/european-space-boss-crazy-moon-village-plan-151401886.html
> 
> Cool, huh? But first they need to ask nasa, since they planted 
> their flag overthere first
> 
> ------
> Who would take part?

They would have their socialist government slaves...


> "Russia has some lunar missions planned, so why not have them 
> as part of the Moon Village?" asked Woerner, noting also that 
> "the Chinese are planning some lunar missions."
> He also said he did not mind that some think his idea hare-brained.
> "The word 'crazy' is exactly something I would like," he said. 
> "We have to think out of the box. That means new ideas."
> -------

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#374632

Am 19.01.2016 20:58, schrieb jamesl51165@gmail.com:

>> European Moon Village plan
>> http://news.yahoo.com/european-space-boss-crazy-moon-village-plan-151401886.html
>>
>> Cool, huh? But first they need to ask nasa, since they planted
>> their flag overthere first


The Chinese had been unable to find these flags.

There are also sceptics of various kind and degree, which claim, that 
moon-landings had been faked.

Also: ownership of land is not created by planting a flag pole there. 
Usually you had to buy that land from the owner.

>> Who would take part?


Well, EU-countries had a problem recently with lots of refugees. Maybe 
they could take part...

> They would have their socialist government slaves...

We don't have socialist countries anymore in Europe, except Belarus (as 
far as I can tell).

Another common misconception is, that socialism is based on slavery.

Actually meant was a form of state, where the 'common men' are not 
exploited.


TH

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#374771

Thomas Heger wrote:

> Am 19.01.2016 20:58, schrieb jamesl51165@gmail.com:
>>> European Moon Village plan
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/european-space-boss-crazy-moon-village-plan-151401886.html
>>>
>>> Cool, huh? But first they need to ask nasa, since they planted
>>> their flag overthere first
> 
> The Chinese had been unable to find these flags.

They were not looking for them and they did not have the right equipment in 
the first place.  There have been three Chinese missions to the Moon so far:

Chang'e 1’s CCD stereo camera’s pixel spatial resolution was 200 m, and the 
orbiter took the images from a circular orbit of 200 km altitude. [1]

Chang'e 2’s camera obtained images at a resolution of ca. 7 m from 15 to 
100 km altitude [2] – still too coarse to tell a flag from a rock.

Chang'e 3 was a lander and rover mission only.  It was planned to land at 
Sinus Iridum (“Bay of Rainbows”), but landed on Mare Imbrium (“See of 
Storms”).  The flags were planted during the Apollo 11 mission near 
Tranquility Base, on Mare Tranquillitatis (“Sea of Tranquility”) instead.  
For landing, Chang'e 3 did not orbit over Mare Tranquillitatis [3].  
Chang'e 3’s landing site is, based on the Google Moon map, about 16 km (or 
more) away from Tranquility Base.  The rover, Yutu (“jade rabbit”), had a 
maximum range of 10 km.  “Yutu traveled 374 feet (114 meters) on the moon in 
a zigzag fashion before a glitch ended its travels in January 2014.” [4]
IOW, that mission did not come anywhere near Tranquility Base which would 
have enabled it to support your claim.


[1] 
<http://wayback.archive.org/web/20120331032311/http://www.cjss.ac.cn/qikan/manage/wenzhang/2010-05-02.pdf>

[2] <http://www.space.com/14536-china-moon-map-change-2-images.html>

[3] <http://astrogatorsguild.com/?p=1217>

[4]
<http://www.space.com/28810-moon-history-chinese-lunar-rover.html?cmpid=514630_20150312_41994886&adbid=10152690360766466&adbpl=fb&adbpr=17610706465>

> There are also sceptics of various kind and degree, which claim, that
> moon-landings had been faked.

The proper term for those people is “lunatics” ;-)

And they are still unable to explain how we can get reflections off mirrors 
known to be planted on the Moon during the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions if 
no human had ever put a foot on the surface of the Moon so far.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment>

> Also: ownership of land is not created by planting a flag pole there.
> Usually you had to buy that land from the owner.

If there is an owner (that you can trade with).  As regards outer space, 
there is not.
 
>>> Who would take part?
> 
> Well, EU-countries had a problem recently with lots of refugees.

They still have.

> Maybe they could take part...

Yeah, first throw their countries into chaos, then ship them off to the 
Moon…  It seems your stupidity knows no end.


F'up2 sci.space.history where you can get yourself educated for a change.

PointedEars
-- 
A neutron walks into a bar and inquires how much a drink costs.
The bartender replies, "For you? No charge."

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#374772

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Chang'e 3 was a lander and rover mission only.  It was planned to land
> at Sinus Iridum (“Bay of Rainbows”), but landed on Mare Imbrium (“See of
> Storms”).

Sea. You are lying. No need for high resolution to detect a landing.

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#374773

Am 24.01.2016 18:17, schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:

>>
>> The Chinese had been unable to find these flags.
>
> They were not looking for them and they did not have the right equipment in
> the first place.  There have been three Chinese missions to the Moon so far:
>
> Chang'e 1’s CCD stereo camera’s pixel spatial resolution was 200 m, and the
> orbiter took the images from a circular orbit of 200 km altitude. [1]
>
> Chang'e 2’s camera obtained images at a resolution of ca. 7 m from 15 to
> 100 km altitude [2] – still too coarse to tell a flag from a rock.
>
> Chang'e 3 was a lander and rover mission only.  It was planned to land at
> Sinus Iridum (“Bay of Rainbows”), but landed on Mare Imbrium (“See of
> Storms”).  The flags were planted during the Apollo 11 mission near
> Tranquility Base, on Mare Tranquillitatis (“Sea of Tranquility”) instead.
> For landing, Chang'e 3 did not orbit over Mare Tranquillitatis [3].
> Chang'e 3’s landing site is, based on the Google Moon map, about 16 km (or
> more) away from Tranquility Base.  The rover, Yutu (“jade rabbit”), had a
> maximum range of 10 km.  “Yutu traveled 374 feet (114 meters) on the moon in
> a zigzag fashion before a glitch ended its travels in January 2014.” [4]
> IOW, that mission did not come anywhere near Tranquility Base which would
> have enabled it to support your claim.
>
>
> [1]
> <http://wayback.archive.org/web/20120331032311/http://www.cjss.ac.cn/qikan/manage/wenzhang/2010-05-02.pdf>
>
> [2]<http://www.space.com/14536-china-moon-map-change-2-images.html>
>
> [3]<http://astrogatorsguild.com/?p=1217>
>
> [4]
> <http://www.space.com/28810-moon-history-chinese-lunar-rover.html?cmpid=514630_20150312_41994886&adbid=10152690360766466&adbpl=fb&adbpr=17610706465>

>> There are also sceptics of various kind and degree, which claim, that


16 eye-witnesses can't be wrong.

> The proper term for those people is “lunatics” ;-)

Well, this seems to be a danger, if you go to the moon.


> And they are still unable to explain how we can get reflections off mirrors
> known to be planted on the Moon during the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions if
> no human had ever put a foot on the surface of the Moon so far.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment>
>
>> Also: ownership of land is not created by planting a flag pole there.
>> Usually you had to buy that land from the owner.
>
> If there is an owner (that you can trade with).  As regards outer space,
> there is not.
>

The Nasa had to register their property at the Lunar Real Estate Agency.

(That is right there, at the corner of Mare Tranquilitatis. Easy to find 
- or ask for the way.)



>>
>> Well, EU-countries had a problem recently with lots of refugees.
>
> They still have.

Well, depends on how you define 'problem'. Refugees are kind of annoyed, 
since Germany is actually cold in winter and life in a refugee camp is 
boring.

But that's about it.

Germans (on the other hand) fear to get killed, while asleep by 'Jihadists'.

Other fears are related to lack of jobs and affordable apartments, since 
refugees seemingly want to have, what many Germans are also locking for.

>> Maybe they could take part...
>
> Yeah, first throw their countries into chaos, then ship them off to the
> Moon…  It seems your stupidity knows no end.
>

I have not thrown any country into chaos. But apparently you are 
addressing Germany with 'throwing .. into chaos'.

But let me inform you, it haven't been Germans, who invaded 
Iraq/Syria/Libya (just to mention a few).

Second: 'taking part' was meant as an opportunity (for a career as 
astronaut), not as 'shipping off'.

(at least partially...)


TH

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