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Re: Experience with Smith Micro?

From "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Experience with Smith Micro?
Date 2014-02-06 23:56 +0000
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:19:37 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-diBP5jxN1kze@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > > > > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in
> > > > > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile
> > > > > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot.
> > > > 
> > > > I never said that I could hear the difference.
> > > 
> > > then why were you arguing it was easy to do? 
> > > 
> > > by saying you can't hear a difference, you're confirming what i said.
> > > 
> > > > I'd ask you yet again
> > > > to stop lying, but I know that would be a fruitless request because
> > > > you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're incapable of refraining from
> > > > lies.
> > > 
> > > unlike you, nothing i said is a lie.
> > 
> > I've gone back upthread and reread all of Michelle's posts. She 
> > never made any claim about something being easy to do except in a 
> > comment about green markers and CDs, where she was obviously 
> > repeating the claims of what she called hucksters.
> > 
> > If you can't provide a reference quote, which you can't, then you 
> > owe her an apology. (Michelle: good luck with that.)
> 
> if you read the post to which you responded, you'd see that i said, 'in
> another thread'.

Here is the exchange between you and Michelle in the post to which I
responded:

nospam:
> > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in
> > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile
> > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot.

Michelle: 
> I never said that I could hear the difference.

nospam: 
then why were you arguing it was easy to do? 
 
by saying you can't hear a difference, you're confirming what i 
said.


Back to our program in progress:
 
> that means that reading upthread isn't going to net what you thought
> you might find.

I was expecting to find what you accused Michelle of doing: saying 
that it was easy to hear the difference. Nowhere does she make that 
claim.
 
> but since you asked, here you go:
> 
> In article <020220141107167328%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > > audiophile equipment is not a good example.
> > > 
> > > it may be low volume, but it's not 'high end'. 
> > > 
> > > it's largely snake oil, and with a customer base that believes nearly
> > > anything and is only too happy to pay for what they think makes a
> > > difference, despite the laws of physics saying otherwise.
> > 
> > I'm referring to components (receivers, amplifiers, pre-amplifiers,
> > turntables, etc.) not interconnecting cables and similar devices. 
> > Whether they are actually audibly better, they're still "high end"
> > based on price and perceived quality.

I don't see any claim here that Michelle can hear anything, much 
less that it was easy to hear a difference.

 
> In article <020220141738064375%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > > > I'm referring to components (receivers, amplifiers, pre-amplifiers,
> > > > turntables, etc.) not interconnecting cables and similar devices. 
> > > > Whether they are actually audibly better, they're still "high end"
> > > > based on price and perceived quality.
> > > 
> > > I am willing to bet that a high end receiver has very little electronics
> > > that are not "off the shelf". The CPU is likely off the shelf ARM or
> > > Intel, so are memory chips, etc.
> > 
> > CPU, memory chips?  We're talking audio, not computers.  Do you think
> > that an amplifier with a 20-20,000 KHz range with 0.1% THD sounds the
> > same as one with a 50-5,000 KHz range with 5.0% THD?

Again, there is no claim here from Michelle that she personally can 
hear anything nor that she personally finds it easy to hear a 
difference.

 
> since she now says she can't hear past 5khz, then she won't be able to
> tell the difference, even with her straw man piece of shit amp.

Which makes this assertion a non sequitur.

 
> once again, in double-blind tests, people consistently can't tell the
> difference between normal gear (not junk) and audiophile grade. 
> 
> they *think* they can, but when the rubber meets the road, they do no
> better than chance. in other words, they're guessing.
> 
> even supposed 'trained audiophiles' can't tell the difference between
> monster cable and coat hangers, and some even preferred the latter.
> 
> audiophile equipment is one of the biggest scams around.


I know that's it's a waste of time to argue with you and so should 
have known better than to jump into one of your he-said-she-said 
threads, so I'm leaving this thread now.

Good day to you.

-- 
John Varela

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