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| Started by | Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> |
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| First post | 2014-02-04 21:56 -0800 |
| Last post | 2014-02-11 19:13 -0500 |
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Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-04 21:56 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-04 22:14 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-02-05 05:03 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 06:22 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-05 12:24 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:52 -0700
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-05 12:53 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-05 13:04 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 13:34 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 17:48 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-05 23:40 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 20:14 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-05 21:59 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-05 22:18 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-05 23:12 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-05 11:02 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 11:16 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 17:54 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 15:39 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 17:53 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-05 21:56 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-06 18:12 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-06 17:59 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-06 18:18 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-07 03:09 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-08 16:51 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-09 03:51 +0000
Re: soured vibrations J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-07 10:10 -0500
Re: soured vibrations Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-07 16:39 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-07 16:50 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-07 18:11 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-09 15:49 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-09 21:01 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-10 00:26 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-10 11:39 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-10 16:51 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-13 05:48 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-08 22:53 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-09 09:16 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-05 19:16 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-05 23:09 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-06 00:27 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-06 01:20 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-08 16:42 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-06 12:38 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-07 16:52 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-05 06:20 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 12:13 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:47 -0700
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-05 11:36 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 15:39 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 18:10 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-05 22:14 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-07 16:45 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-07 23:38 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-08 09:34 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-09 16:15 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-09 21:52 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-05 11:22 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 15:39 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-05 18:36 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 21:43 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 18:04 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 18:19 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 21:03 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 21:40 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-02-05 23:21 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-06 08:47 +0100
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-07 16:55 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-07 18:43 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-07 18:48 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:09 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-07 22:23 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-07 22:23 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-08 09:32 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-09 16:32 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-09 22:38 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-02-07 19:48 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:25 -0700
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-02-05 12:58 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-05 11:48 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 13:34 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 12:13 -0700
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 11:18 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 15:39 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-02-05 22:34 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-05 23:10 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 18:19 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-02-06 23:56 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-05 17:45 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> - 2014-02-04 23:04 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-05 06:28 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> - 2014-02-05 11:04 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-05 20:47 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com> - 2014-02-05 18:22 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-08 16:09 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-09 16:46 -0800
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-02-09 01:26 +0000
Re: Experience with Smith Micro? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2014-02-05 23:49 +0000
Re: Experience Smith Micro Progress maybe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-02-11 15:56 -0800
Re: Experience Smith Micro Progress maybe Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 19:13 -0500
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 12:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lctu4u$a3f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55991 |
On 2/5/14, 12:25 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <SalmonEgg-7A9F6D.06201905022014@news80.forteinc.com>, > Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> This reminds of a fad of about 40 years ago when the inside hole of CD >> audio disks were coated with green markers to improve the fidelity of >> the output. > > Was it really that long ago? I remember the fad as if it were just a > decade or so ago. > > Anyway, high-end audio equipment is wasted on me. Based on an > unscientific study using a Mac application called Tuning Fork > (available for free from the Mac App Store) and the built-in speakers > of my late 2012 iMac, I can't hear above 5 KHz without my hearing aids, > and not much above that frequency with my hearing aids. (I think the > limitation is more on the iMac than on my hearing, though.) > I haven't heard the iMac speakers, but this graph impresses me. <http://www.digitalversus.com/desktop/apple-imac-21-5-inch-2012-p14973/test.html>
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| From | Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 11:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <SalmonEgg-454C04.11480305022014@news80.forteinc.com> |
| In reply to | #56001 |
In article <lctu4u$a3f$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote: > I haven't heard the iMac speakers, but this graph impresses me. > <http://www.digitalversus.com/desktop/apple-imac-21-5-inch-2012-p14973/test.ht > ml> It really is impressive if it represents the true audio as opposed to electrical spectrum. The amplifier itself should have a much flatter response before the speaker get to distort the spectrum. Nevertheless, a typical room resonance will add much finer variation with frequency. The room resonances can fluctuate by more than 10dB across the spectrum. As an aside, I had a problem with one guy who was upset when I designated sound levels by bels instead of decibels. -- Sam Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection. Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 13:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <050220141334340309%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #55991 |
In article <050220141025500829%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > This reminds of a fad of about 40 years ago when the inside hole of CD > > audio disks were coated with green markers to improve the fidelity of > > the output. > > Was it really that long ago? I remember the fad as if it were just a > decade or so ago. no. 40 years ago was 1974. there were no cds in 1974. the fad was in the early 1990s, about 20 years ago. > Anyway, high-end audio equipment is wasted on me. Based on an > unscientific study using a Mac application called Tuning Fork > (available for free from the Mac App Store) and the built-in speakers > of my late 2012 iMac, I can't hear above 5 KHz without my hearing aids, > and not much above that frequency with my hearing aids. (I think the > limitation is more on the iMac than on my hearing, though.) the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile grade hardware. now you admit you cannot.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 12:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <050220141213580147%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #56009 |
In article <050220141334340309%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot. I never said that I could hear the difference. I'd ask you yet again to stop lying, but I know that would be a fruitless request because you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're incapable of refraining from lies.
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| From | Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 11:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <jt7g99s708.fsf@ethel.the.log> |
| In reply to | #56015 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> writes: > In article <050220141334340309%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam > <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in > > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile > > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot. > > I never said that I could hear the difference. I'd ask you yet again > to stop lying, but I know that would be a fruitless request because > you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're incapable of refraining from > lies. One is tempted to adapt the old joke "How do you tell a politician is lying? His lips are moving" to this situation. But that would be rude.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 15:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <050220141539249698%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #56015 |
In article <050220141213580147%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in > > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile > > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot. > > I never said that I could hear the difference. then why were you arguing it was easy to do? by saying you can't hear a difference, you're confirming what i said. > I'd ask you yet again > to stop lying, but I know that would be a fruitless request because > you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're incapable of refraining from > lies. unlike you, nothing i said is a lie.
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 22:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-diBP5jxN1kze@localhost> |
| In reply to | #56028 |
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 20:39:24 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <050220141213580147%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in > > > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile > > > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot. > > > > I never said that I could hear the difference. > > then why were you arguing it was easy to do? > > by saying you can't hear a difference, you're confirming what i said. > > > I'd ask you yet again > > to stop lying, but I know that would be a fruitless request because > > you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're incapable of refraining from > > lies. > > unlike you, nothing i said is a lie. I've gone back upthread and reread all of Michelle's posts. She never made any claim about something being easy to do except in a comment about green markers and CDs, where she was obviously repeating the claims of what she called hucksters. If you can't provide a reference quote, which you can't, then you owe her an apology. (Michelle: good luck with that.) -- John Varela
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 23:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <blfun2F7atjU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56045 |
On 2014-02-05, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 20:39:24 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> > wrote: > >> In article <050220141213580147%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner >> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >> >> > > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in >> > > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile >> > > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot. >> > >> > I never said that I could hear the difference. >> >> then why were you arguing it was easy to do? >> >> by saying you can't hear a difference, you're confirming what i said. >> >> > I'd ask you yet again >> > to stop lying, but I know that would be a fruitless request because >> > you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're incapable of refraining from >> > lies. >> >> unlike you, nothing i said is a lie. > > I've gone back upthread and reread all of Michelle's posts. She > never made any claim about something being easy to do except in a > comment about green markers and CDs, where she was obviously > repeating the claims of what she called hucksters. > > If you can't provide a reference quote, which you can't, then you > owe her an apology. (Michelle: good luck with that.) My prediction: NEVAR! -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 18:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <050220141819376445%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #56045 |
In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-diBP5jxN1kze@localhost>, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in > > > > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile > > > > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot. > > > > > > I never said that I could hear the difference. > > > > then why were you arguing it was easy to do? > > > > by saying you can't hear a difference, you're confirming what i said. > > > > > I'd ask you yet again > > > to stop lying, but I know that would be a fruitless request because > > > you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're incapable of refraining from > > > lies. > > > > unlike you, nothing i said is a lie. > > I've gone back upthread and reread all of Michelle's posts. She > never made any claim about something being easy to do except in a > comment about green markers and CDs, where she was obviously > repeating the claims of what she called hucksters. > > If you can't provide a reference quote, which you can't, then you > owe her an apology. (Michelle: good luck with that.) if you read the post to which you responded, you'd see that i said, 'in another thread'. that means that reading upthread isn't going to net what you thought you might find. but since you asked, here you go: In article <020220141107167328%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > audiophile equipment is not a good example. > > > > it may be low volume, but it's not 'high end'. > > > > it's largely snake oil, and with a customer base that believes nearly > > anything and is only too happy to pay for what they think makes a > > difference, despite the laws of physics saying otherwise. > > I'm referring to components (receivers, amplifiers, pre-amplifiers, > turntables, etc.) not interconnecting cables and similar devices. > Whether they are actually audibly better, they're still "high end" > based on price and perceived quality. In article <020220141738064375%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > I'm referring to components (receivers, amplifiers, pre-amplifiers, > > > turntables, etc.) not interconnecting cables and similar devices. > > > Whether they are actually audibly better, they're still "high end" > > > based on price and perceived quality. > > > > I am willing to bet that a high end receiver has very little electronics > > that are not "off the shelf". The CPU is likely off the shelf ARM or > > Intel, so are memory chips, etc. > > CPU, memory chips? We're talking audio, not computers. Do you think > that an amplifier with a 20-20,000 KHz range with 0.1% THD sounds the > same as one with a 50-5,000 KHz range with 5.0% THD? since she now says she can't hear past 5khz, then she won't be able to tell the difference, even with her straw man piece of shit amp. once again, in double-blind tests, people consistently can't tell the difference between normal gear (not junk) and audiophile grade. they *think* they can, but when the rubber meets the road, they do no better than chance. in other words, they're guessing. even supposed 'trained audiophiles' can't tell the difference between monster cable and coat hangers, and some even preferred the latter. audiophile equipment is one of the biggest scams around.
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| From | "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-06 23:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-R0ZdUb2gvj4d@localhost> |
| In reply to | #56060 |
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:19:37 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-diBP5jxN1kze@localhost>, John Varela > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in > > > > > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile > > > > > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot. > > > > > > > > I never said that I could hear the difference. > > > > > > then why were you arguing it was easy to do? > > > > > > by saying you can't hear a difference, you're confirming what i said. > > > > > > > I'd ask you yet again > > > > to stop lying, but I know that would be a fruitless request because > > > > you've demonstrated repeatedly that you're incapable of refraining from > > > > lies. > > > > > > unlike you, nothing i said is a lie. > > > > I've gone back upthread and reread all of Michelle's posts. She > > never made any claim about something being easy to do except in a > > comment about green markers and CDs, where she was obviously > > repeating the claims of what she called hucksters. > > > > If you can't provide a reference quote, which you can't, then you > > owe her an apology. (Michelle: good luck with that.) > > if you read the post to which you responded, you'd see that i said, 'in > another thread'. Here is the exchange between you and Michelle in the post to which I responded: nospam: > > the imac can reproduce much higher than 5khz, but in another post in > > another thread, you said you could hear a difference in audiophile > > grade hardware. now you admit you cannot. Michelle: > I never said that I could hear the difference. nospam: then why were you arguing it was easy to do? by saying you can't hear a difference, you're confirming what i said. Back to our program in progress: > that means that reading upthread isn't going to net what you thought > you might find. I was expecting to find what you accused Michelle of doing: saying that it was easy to hear the difference. Nowhere does she make that claim. > but since you asked, here you go: > > In article <020220141107167328%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > > audiophile equipment is not a good example. > > > > > > it may be low volume, but it's not 'high end'. > > > > > > it's largely snake oil, and with a customer base that believes nearly > > > anything and is only too happy to pay for what they think makes a > > > difference, despite the laws of physics saying otherwise. > > > > I'm referring to components (receivers, amplifiers, pre-amplifiers, > > turntables, etc.) not interconnecting cables and similar devices. > > Whether they are actually audibly better, they're still "high end" > > based on price and perceived quality. I don't see any claim here that Michelle can hear anything, much less that it was easy to hear a difference. > In article <020220141738064375%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner > <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > > > I'm referring to components (receivers, amplifiers, pre-amplifiers, > > > > turntables, etc.) not interconnecting cables and similar devices. > > > > Whether they are actually audibly better, they're still "high end" > > > > based on price and perceived quality. > > > > > > I am willing to bet that a high end receiver has very little electronics > > > that are not "off the shelf". The CPU is likely off the shelf ARM or > > > Intel, so are memory chips, etc. > > > > CPU, memory chips? We're talking audio, not computers. Do you think > > that an amplifier with a 20-20,000 KHz range with 0.1% THD sounds the > > same as one with a 50-5,000 KHz range with 5.0% THD? Again, there is no claim here from Michelle that she personally can hear anything nor that she personally finds it easy to hear a difference. > since she now says she can't hear past 5khz, then she won't be able to > tell the difference, even with her straw man piece of shit amp. Which makes this assertion a non sequitur. > once again, in double-blind tests, people consistently can't tell the > difference between normal gear (not junk) and audiophile grade. > > they *think* they can, but when the rubber meets the road, they do no > better than chance. in other words, they're guessing. > > even supposed 'trained audiophiles' can't tell the difference between > monster cable and coat hangers, and some even preferred the latter. > > audiophile equipment is one of the biggest scams around. I know that's it's a waste of time to argue with you and so should have known better than to jump into one of your he-said-she-said threads, so I'm leaving this thread now. Good day to you. -- John Varela
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 17:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <geWdnUXDIuCWIm_PnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #55936 |
On 2014.02.05, 01:14 , Doug Anderson wrote:
> Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
>> After bad experience about two years ago with Smith PDF2Office, I
>> decided to not get anything from Smith again. Unfortunately, when I saw
>> a price too good to be true for a combination audio booster and
>> equalizer app called Boom2, I had been look for an application like that
>> on and off for a while, so I changed my decision. Has anyone worked with
>> Boom?
>
> Don't know about Smith.
>
> I know this is a non-commercial group, but I'm selling an app that is
> _so_ good you will be happy I told you about it here.
>
> MonsterAudio. It only costs $39.99. It installs automatically and
> invisibly on your system once you pay me for the app.
>
> Then it makes your system sound exactly as if you have Monster Cable
> connecting your speakers to your sound board with gold plated
> contacts. It does all this with no measurable extra CPU load, and
> without you having to pay a technician to open up your computer and
> actually install physical Monster Cable.
>
> For CSMS regulars, I can discount this to $34.00 for a limited time
> only.
Since you own me 34,000 dollars, send me 1000 licences to re-distribute
as I see fit.
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| From | Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-04 23:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <jimjaeger-65C869.23044004022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55935 |
In article <SalmonEgg-0A8184.21565304022014@news80.forteinc.com>, Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >I saw a price too good to be true for a combination audio booster and >equalizer app called Boom2, I had been look for an application like that >on and off for a while, so I changed my decision. Has anyone worked with >Boom? I have a Boom.app installed. It's Boom v 1.8.1. The "about" window says that it's from Global Delight Tech. If it's an earlier version of what you have, this may help. My iMac is running 10.6.8. Running the Boom.app installed a Boom icon in the menu bar. It's a blue dot with two ascending circles representing (I guess) amplified sound waves. Clicking the icon brings down a slider to control the amount of amplification. At the bottom of the slider, there's an icon of a box with an arrow pointing into it. Clicking on this icon brings up a window that with another volume slider and the equalizer control. As you have discovered, there's not much to see. However, it worked well when I needed it to boost audio for some online work I was doing. jim
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| From | Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 06:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <SalmonEgg-163C3C.06281905022014@news80.forteinc.com> |
| In reply to | #55939 |
In article <jimjaeger-65C869.23044004022014@news.eternal-september.org>, Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> wrote: > In article <SalmonEgg-0A8184.21565304022014@news80.forteinc.com>, > Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >I saw a price too good to be true for a combination audio booster and > >equalizer app called Boom2, I had been look for an application like that > >on and off for a while, so I changed my decision. Has anyone worked with > >Boom? > > I have a Boom.app installed. It's Boom v 1.8.1. The "about" window says > that it's from Global Delight Tech. If it's an earlier version of what > you have, this may help. > > My iMac is running 10.6.8. > > Running the Boom.app installed a Boom icon in the menu bar. It's a blue > dot with two ascending circles representing (I guess) amplified sound > waves. Clicking the icon brings down a slider to control the amount of > amplification. At the bottom of the slider, there's an icon of a box > with an arrow pointing into it. Clicking on this icon brings up a window > that with another volume slider and the equalizer control. > > As you have discovered, there's not much to see. However, it worked well > when I needed it to boost audio for some online work I was doing. > > jim Thank you for your reply. I never even saw am "about" window. All I found out is that the installation put Boom into the account preference for startup applications. I am going to look at my installation in light of your revelation. To install. did you do more than drag the Boom icon onto the application icon? . -- Sam Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection. Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.
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| From | Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 11:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <jimjaeger-5BA8A3.11043705022014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #55965 |
In article <SalmonEgg-163C3C.06281905022014@news80.forteinc.com>, Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >In article ><jimjaeger-65C869.23044004022014@news.eternal-september.org>, > Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> wrote: > >> In article <SalmonEgg-0A8184.21565304022014@news80.forteinc.com>, >> Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >...Has anyone worked with Boom? >> >> I have...Boom v 1.8.1. The "about" window says >> that it's from Global Delight Tech... >> >> ...Boom icon in the menu bar. It's a blue dot with two ascending circles ... >> Clicking the icon brings down a slider to control...amplification. >> At the bottom of the slider...a box. Clicking on this icon brings up a >> window...with another volume slider and the equalizer control. >> > >Thank you for your reply. I never even saw am "about" window. All I >found out is that the installation put Boom into the account preference >for startup applications. I am going to look at my installation in light >of your revelation. > >To install. did you do more than drag the Boom icon onto the application >icon? It has been a couple of years since I did the install, so I'm not sure. But I would have remembered if it had been complex, so my guess is that it was a simple drag and drop installation. jim
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 20:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lcu812$7ib$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #55939 |
Jim Jaeger <jimjaeger@example.com> writes:
> Running the Boom.app installed a Boom icon in the menu bar. It's a blue
> dot with two ascending circles representing (I guess) amplified sound
> waves. Clicking the icon brings down a slider to control the amount of
> amplification. At the bottom of the slider, there's an icon of a box
> with an arrow pointing into it. Clicking on this icon brings up a window
> that with another volume slider and the equalizer control.
There's a download-the-help-file page here -
http://www.globaldelight.com/boom/help/
It's also inside the program. I got Boom as part of a package of stuff
in a charity sale, but I haven't tried it yet. There's just no way more
'boom' is going to come out of the tiny speakers in my 13" MacBook Pro.
Heh.
I looked at the Smith Micro site, but didn't see Boom2 there...?
Billy Y..
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| From | Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-05 18:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lctvhf$j0m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55935 |
On 05/02/2014 05:56, Salmon Egg wrote: > After bad experience about two years ago with Smith PDF2Office, I > decided to not get anything from Smith again. Unfortunately, when I saw > a price too good to be true for a combination audio booster and > equalizer app called Boom2, I had been look for an application like that > on and off for a while, so I changed my decision. Has anyone worked with > Boom? I've bought stuff from Smith Micro in the past - a couple of their own products (Poser Pro, Anime Studio) and StuffIt Deluxe - and their sales and customer service is OK. (I was able to get the Mac versions of the software I'd previously bought for Windows, after moving to Mac in 2012 and contacting them with my serial numbers.) However, I get periodically emailed with offers for other software from time to time, the majority of which I've never heard of and have doubts as to their value. It's a bit of a mixed bag as far as their online store is concerned. I just checked, and I can't find any trace of the app you mention. That sounds warning bells in my head, as that potentially means you're stuck if you want support. > I had no trouble downloading it as a dmg file. It seemed to install. It > does not squawk when I try to run it,but it seems to just sit there with > no user interface. It is supposed to boost audio output system wide for > 10.6 and later. It is also supposed to have equalizers for all audio. I > see no way to invoke the equalizer and there are no instructions. The > download showed up as a window with a dmg icon. Like for many other > installations, that it looks like the app icon is to be dragged onto a > application folder icon. It is the same process that has worked well for > other apps including latest TurboTax. Quite a few system-level apps work like that, in my experience - usually, they are activated by a menu icon or key combination. Of course, it helps with the app actually tells you this! > PDF2Office sort of works and has some utility. It gave me a lot of > trouble in terms of getting the advertised with a password that worked. > After much bickering, Smith Micro gave me a new password and download > that worked together. As a rule now, I *always* verify that the DMG or ZIP file is OK before closing the download page. Been bitten enough times not to take any chances. > I am suspicious that they are so paranoid about piracy that verification > is too complicated to work. They are not the worst offenders, by any stretch. I still have nightmares from trying to activate a copy of Cinema 4D bought direct from Maxon several years back. And E-on Software require a similarly convoluted activation process for their Vue software packages. Alan.
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| From | Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 16:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <SalmonEgg-822D61.16094108022014@news80.forteinc.com> |
| In reply to | #56005 |
In article <lctvhf$j0m$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com> wrote: > On 05/02/2014 05:56, Salmon Egg wrote: > > After bad experience about two years ago with Smith PDF2Office, I > > decided to not get anything from Smith again. Unfortunately, when I saw > > a price too good to be true for a combination audio booster and > > equalizer app called Boom2, I had been look for an application like that > > on and off for a while, so I changed my decision. Has anyone worked with > > Boom? > > I've bought stuff from Smith Micro in the past - a couple of their own > products (Poser Pro, Anime Studio) and StuffIt Deluxe - and their sales > and customer service is OK. (I was able to get the Mac versions of the > software I'd previously bought for Windows, after moving to Mac in 2012 > and contacting them with my serial numbers.) > > However, I get periodically emailed with offers for other software from > time to time, the majority of which I've never heard of and have doubts > as to their value. It's a bit of a mixed bag as far as their online > store is concerned. > > I just checked, and I can't find any trace of the app you mention. That > sounds warning bells in my head, as that potentially means you're stuck > if you want support. > > > I had no trouble downloading it as a dmg file. It seemed to install. It > > does not squawk when I try to run it,but it seems to just sit there with > > no user interface. It is supposed to boost audio output system wide for > > 10.6 and later. It is also supposed to have equalizers for all audio. I > > see no way to invoke the equalizer and there are no instructions. The > > download showed up as a window with a dmg icon. Like for many other > > installations, that it looks like the app icon is to be dragged onto a > > application folder icon. It is the same process that has worked well for > > other apps including latest TurboTax. > > Quite a few system-level apps work like that, in my experience - > usually, they are activated by a menu icon or key combination. Of > course, it helps with the app actually tells you this! > > > PDF2Office sort of works and has some utility. It gave me a lot of > > trouble in terms of getting the advertised with a password that worked. > > After much bickering, Smith Micro gave me a new password and download > > that worked together. > **************************** > As a rule now, I *always* verify that the DMG or ZIP file is OK before > closing the download page. Been bitten enough times not to take any chances. > ********************************* What do you mean by verify? How do you verify? > > I am suspicious that they are so paranoid about piracy that verification > > is too complicated to work. > > They are not the worst offenders, by any stretch. I still have > nightmares from trying to activate a copy of Cinema 4D bought direct > from Maxon several years back. And E-on Software require a similarly > convoluted activation process for their Vue software packages. > > Alan. I am sorry to see the thread morph into something entirely different from what was intended. Such meandering of thought is the bane and beauty of USENET. -- Sam Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection. Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <080220142001472529%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #56259 |
In article <SalmonEgg-822D61.16094108022014@news80.forteinc.com>, Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > **************************** > > As a rule now, I *always* verify that the DMG or ZIP file is OK before > > closing the download page. Been bitten enough times not to take any chances. > > > ********************************* > What do you mean by verify? How do you verify? it's the first step when you mount a dmg is a verify, and an invalid zip will fail to unzip. you'll get an error message.
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| From | Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2014-02-09 16:46 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <SalmonEgg-92F4E4.16464109022014@news80.forteinc.com> |
| In reply to | #56265 |
In article <080220142001472529%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <SalmonEgg-822D61.16094108022014@news80.forteinc.com>, > Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > **************************** > > > As a rule now, I *always* verify that the DMG or ZIP file is OK before > > > closing the download page. Been bitten enough times not to take any > > > chances. > > > > > ********************************* > > What do you mean by verify? How do you verify? > > it's the first step when you mount a dmg is a verify, and an invalid > zip will fail to unzip. you'll get an error message. I believe it went through that process OK. What I am trying to figure out is how to remove all traces of Boom2 and maybe start over again. In an earlier response billy@MIX.com gave me a link to an insturction book. I still need to look at that in some detail. BTW, just because I disagree with you on skin effect does not mean I do not appreciate you responses. -- Sam Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection. Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-02-09 01:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ld6lgq$3b1$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #56259 |
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> asks, quoting
Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com>:
> ****************************
> > As a rule now, I *always* verify that the DMG or ZIP file is OK before
> > closing the download page. Been bitten enough times not to take any chances.
> >
> *********************************
> What do you mean by verify? How do you verify?
For a disk image, try to mount it.
For a zip archive, try to unzip it.
Billy Y..
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