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Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks

From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks
Followup-To sci.physics.relativity
Date 2016-02-11 00:31 +0100
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The ’nym-shifting troll posted FUD as "Muddy Shoes":

> […]
> http://preterism.ning.com/forum/topics/can-we-trust-the-data "Consider the
> case of astronomer Walter Adams. In 1925 he tested Einstein's theory of
> relativity by measuring the red shift of the binary companion of Sirius,
> brightest star in the sky. Einstein's theory predicted a red shift of six
> parts in a hundred thousand; Adams found just such an effect. A triumph
> for relativity. However, in 1971, with updated estimates of the mass and
> radius of Sirius, it was found that the predicted red shift should have
> been much larger - 28 parts in a hundred thousand. Later observations of
> the red shift did indeed measure this amount, showing that Adams'
> observations were flawed. He "saw" what he had expected to see."

JFTR:

,-<http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1985QJRAS..26..273W>
| 
| Title:              A comment on Adams' measurement of the gravitational 
|                       redshift of Sirius B
| Authors:            Wesemael, F.
| Affiliation:        AA(Observatoire du Mont Megantic; Montreal, 
|                       Universite, Montreal, Canada)
| Publication:        Royal Astronomical Society, Quarterly Journal (ISSN 
|                       0035-8738), vol. 26, Sept. 1985, p. 273-278.
|                       NSERC-supported research.
| Publication Date:	  09/1985
| Category:           Astrophysics
| Origin:             STI
| NASA/STI Keywords:  Light Scattering, Red Shift, Stellar Gravitation, 
|                       White Dwarf Stars, Astronomical Photometry,
|                       Astronomical Spectroscopy, Mathematical Models
| Bibliographic Code: 1985QJRAS..26..273W
|
|  
|                                Abstract
| 
| Hetherington's contention that Adams' 1925 determination of the 
| gravitational redshift of Sirius B is the result of a deliberate effort to 
| reproduce the value predicted earlier on theoretical grounds is examined. 
| It is emphasized that Adams' measurement may instead be the result of 
| spectral contamination by scattered light from Sirius A, and the 
| plausibility of that suggestion is confirmed by numerical simulations. 
| There is thus, at present, no evidence to support the contention that 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| Adams may not have acted objectively in this particular scientific 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| endeavor.
  ^^^^^^^^^

Referred in <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Sydney_Adams> at the time 
of writing.


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            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-18 23:17 +0100
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