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Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks

From Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks
Date 2016-02-10 22:54 +0000
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Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 2/9/16 2/9/16 - 10:19 AM, rotchm wrote:
>>> Michelson, Edward Morley
>>
>> Although they set out to try to measure the "fringe shift", unbeknownst
>> to them (but known by Poincare and a few others), their exp cold not
>> discriminate between "SR" and "LET";
> 
> Michelson and Morley performed their experiment in 1887 to test the
> then-prevalent aether theory, in which motion relative to the aether
> WOULD HAVE BEEN OBSERVABLE by their apparatus. All you need to do is
> READ THEIR PAPER to know this.

Of course LIGO will "discover" gravitational waves sooner or later.
Einstein's relativity cannot survive unless experimental fraud regularly
boosts it. Eddington's 1919 fraud, Eddington and Adams' 1925 fraud, Pound
and Rebka's 1960 fraud, Alväger's 1964 fraud, Hafele and Keating's 1971
fraud... the list is long. Just an example:

http://preterism.ning.com/forum/topics/can-we-trust-the-data "Consider the
case of astronomer Walter Adams. In 1925 he tested Einstein's theory of
relativity by measuring the red shift of the binary companion of Sirius,
brightest star in the sky. Einstein's theory predicted a red shift of six
parts in a hundred thousand; Adams found just such an effect. A triumph
for relativity. However, in 1971, with updated estimates of the mass and
radius of Sirius, it was found that the predicted red shift should have
been much larger - 28 parts in a hundred thousand. Later observations of
the red shift did indeed measure this amount, showing that Adams'
observations were flawed. He "saw" what he had expected to see."

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A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-09 12:27 +1100
  Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-09 13:22 +1100
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-08 23:03 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 08:01 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-09 18:43 +0100
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-09 19:42 +1100
  Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 08:19 -0800
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Heiðr Einherjar <einherjar@notformail.org> - 2016-02-09 16:52 +0000
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 12:34 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-10 08:52 +1100
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Heiðr Einherjar <einherjar@notformail.org> - 2016-02-10 15:15 +0000
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-09 11:02 -0600
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 12:40 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-09 22:06 +0100
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 13:43 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-09 23:33 -0800
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 08:02 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-10 18:22 +0100
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-10 09:06 +1100
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 20:02 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-10 20:05 +1100
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 01:08 -0800
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-10 04:51 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-10 22:50 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 15:13 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 00:17 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 08:09 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-10 22:54 +0000
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 17:15 -0600
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-10 23:58 +0000
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 22:58 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-11 05:18 -0800
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-11 13:31 +0000
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-11 00:31 +0100
  Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 20:23 -0800
  Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 20:24 -0800
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 20:27 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-10 20:07 +1100
  Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-13 09:41 -0600
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 10:06 +0100
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 04:51 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 15:53 +0100
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 08:16 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 08:26 -0800
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 17:46 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 08:50 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-15 18:40 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-17 09:18 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 23:08 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 17:48 +0100
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 10:02 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Céline Desirée Hedwig <celinedh@bernhardine.org> - 2016-02-14 20:54 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 18:07 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-16 15:30 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 23:57 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-17 00:09 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 00:44 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-19 08:08 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-18 16:45 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-19 19:57 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-19 11:34 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-20 08:42 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-19 06:55 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-20 07:23 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-21 10:22 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-21 05:17 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-21 19:50 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-22 07:03 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-23 20:09 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-23 05:33 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-23 05:57 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-15 18:43 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Céline Desirée Hedwig <celinedh@bernhardine.org> - 2016-02-15 17:48 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-15 16:32 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 02:36 -0800
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 04:15 -0800
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 05:47 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 05:15 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 05:39 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 06:55 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 07:01 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 07:44 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-16 15:47 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-16 18:12 +0100
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-16 18:54 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 10:27 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-16 20:09 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 11:26 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-16 20:31 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-16 21:01 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-16 15:35 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 07:43 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Celine Desiree Hedwig <celinedh@bernhardine.org> - 2016-02-14 20:50 +0000
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-16 13:44 -0800
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-16 22:59 +0000
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 19:33 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-17 09:26 +0000
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:38 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-17 07:34 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-17 17:49 +0000
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-17 13:07 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-18 16:11 +0000
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-18 08:29 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-20 09:06 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-20 11:53 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-21 10:38 +0000
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-17 18:43 +0000
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-18 11:38 +0100
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-18 15:40 +0000
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-18 16:13 +0000
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-18 23:17 +0100
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-19 19:54 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-19 11:30 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-19 02:36 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 05:43 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-20 09:11 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-20 12:06 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-20 18:46 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Stzepan Zdrobněliny <stzepan282@guadalajara.org> - 2016-02-20 19:02 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-21 08:51 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-21 09:26 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-21 10:46 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-21 12:49 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-21 20:06 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-21 23:13 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-23 20:06 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-23 12:01 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-23 10:08 -0600
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-23 20:10 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-24 09:36 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-23 20:14 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-24 09:39 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Stzepan Zdrobněliny <stzepan282@guadalajara.org> - 2016-02-23 23:03 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-03-02 09:31 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-24 09:31 +1100
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-23 18:29 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-24 10:03 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-25 20:08 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-25 16:40 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-26 08:16 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-26 10:19 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-27 08:21 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-27 09:40 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-28 10:00 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-28 09:37 +0100
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