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Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2016-02-09 20:02 -0800
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Subject Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks
From rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>

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On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 5:06:18 PM UTC-5, HGW wrote:

>... It merely states the fact by postulate 
> then establishes the mathematical consequences of that claim.

Well, as originally put, yes. But since, we know it is not necessary to have the second postulate and can be deduced otherwise. Stronger even, since 1983, we dont even need to deduce the "second postulate". It is true by construction. 

> Anyone can see that Einstein merely plagiarized Lorentz 

Perhaps. 

> by formulating 
> the same (stupid) theory from the opposite end.

SR is much more general and applies to all physics. This is not the case for LET.

> Of course they are both completely wrong. Poincare was right. Oscillator 
> periods do not vary with speed.

Irrelevant. SR's predictions are empirically validated. Thats all what counts. 

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A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-09 12:27 +1100
  Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-09 13:22 +1100
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-08 23:03 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 08:01 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-09 18:43 +0100
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-09 19:42 +1100
  Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 08:19 -0800
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Heiðr Einherjar <einherjar@notformail.org> - 2016-02-09 16:52 +0000
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 12:34 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-10 08:52 +1100
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Heiðr Einherjar <einherjar@notformail.org> - 2016-02-10 15:15 +0000
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-09 11:02 -0600
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 12:40 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-09 22:06 +0100
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 13:43 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-09 23:33 -0800
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 08:02 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-10 18:22 +0100
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-10 09:06 +1100
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 20:02 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-10 20:05 +1100
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 01:08 -0800
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-10 04:51 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-10 22:50 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 15:13 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 00:17 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 08:09 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-10 22:54 +0000
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 17:15 -0600
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-10 23:58 +0000
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 22:58 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-11 05:18 -0800
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-11 13:31 +0000
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-11 00:31 +0100
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  Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 20:24 -0800
    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-09 20:27 -0800
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-10 20:07 +1100
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    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 10:06 +0100
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 04:51 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 15:53 +0100
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              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 17:46 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 08:50 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-15 18:40 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-17 09:18 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 23:08 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 17:48 +0100
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 10:02 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Céline Desirée Hedwig <celinedh@bernhardine.org> - 2016-02-14 20:54 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 18:07 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-16 15:30 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 23:57 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-17 00:09 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 00:44 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-19 08:08 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-18 16:45 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-19 19:57 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-19 11:34 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-20 08:42 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-19 06:55 -0800
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-21 05:17 -0800
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-22 07:03 -0800
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-15 18:43 +0100
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 05:39 -0800
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-16 18:12 +0100
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 11:26 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-16 20:31 +0100
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    Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-16 22:59 +0000
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 19:33 -0800
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-17 09:26 +0000
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:38 -0800
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        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-17 17:49 +0000
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-17 13:07 -0800
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-18 16:11 +0000
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-18 08:29 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-20 09:06 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-20 11:53 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-21 10:38 +0000
      Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-17 18:43 +0000
        Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-18 11:38 +0100
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-18 15:40 +0000
          Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-18 16:13 +0000
            Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-18 23:17 +0100
              Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-19 19:54 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-19 11:30 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-19 02:36 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 05:43 -0800
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-20 09:11 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-20 12:06 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-20 18:46 +0000
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-21 08:51 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-21 09:26 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-21 10:46 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-21 12:49 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-02-21 20:06 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-21 23:13 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-23 20:06 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-23 12:01 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-23 10:08 -0600
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-23 20:10 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-24 09:36 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-23 20:14 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-24 09:39 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Stzepan Zdrobněliny <stzepan282@guadalajara.org> - 2016-02-23 23:03 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2016-03-02 09:31 +0000
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-24 09:31 +1100
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                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-24 10:03 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-25 20:08 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-25 16:40 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-26 08:16 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-26 10:19 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-27 08:21 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-27 09:40 +0100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-28 10:00 +1100
                Re: A Short Essay on Time and Clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-28 09:37 +0100
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