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Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity

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alsor@interia.pl wrote:

> W dniu piątek, 25 listopada 2016 17:46:33 UTC+1 użytkownik Thomas
> 'PointedEars' Lahn
>> Redshift/blueshift of the light signal corresponding to the velocity of
>> the source relative to the observer, and signal arrival times
>> corresponding to the distance from the observer to the source when the
>> signal was emitted, when traveling at the same constant,
>> frequency/wavelength-invariant speed.
> 
> Indeed.
> Similarily the Sun revelves around us,

If “us” is not located in or near the center of the galaxy, then No, it does 
not.

> one cycle pler 24h

One sidereal Terran day is ca. 23 standard hours and 56 minutes long.

> thus with a speed: 150 mln km / 24h = 1736 km/s.

By coincidence, the equatorial rotational speed of Terra is ca. 
1'674.36 km∕h (Cox 2000).

But how did you get the idea of “150 mln km”?  You do realize that 150 
million kilometers would be approximately the *radius* of the star’s orbit 
if it would revolve around the planet (instead of in reality vice-versa), 
yes?
 
> This is just what is being observed. haha!

Apparently you have not understood what I wrote:

To the effects that can be observed (or, in the case of the second idea, 
cannot be observed), and that are predicted by special relativity, it is 
only relevant that the observer and the light source are moving *relative to 
each other*, i.e. that *their distance to each other is changing with time*.

It does not matter which of the two is, or if both are, considered to be
“in motion” as the concept of motion is meaningless without a frame of 
reference.

  [For example, we observe the light of the neighboring Andromeda Galaxy
   to be blueshifted; it is moving towards us in the Milky Way Galaxy,
   or more precisely the two galaxies are moving towards each other,
   and they will merge in ca. 4 × 10⁹ years.

   By contrast, we observe the light of far more distant galaxies to be
   redshifted because, although their peculiar velocity might be directed
   towards us, it is more than compensated by the recessional velocity of
   the expanding universe directed away from us.  We also observe galaxies
   being older the farther they are away.  So it took time for that light
   to reach us, which is only possible if the speed of light is finite;
   combined with the blueshift/redshift, only if the speed of light is also
   constant (which has been confirmed by countless other experiments, too).]

So your argument is not only ridiculous, it is doubly fallacious.

_________
Arthur N. Cox, ed. (2000). Allen's Astrophysical Quantities (4th ed.).
New York: AIP Press. p. 244. ISBN 0-387-98746-0. Retrieved 17 August 2010.
<https://books.google.com/?id=w8PK2XFLLH8C&pg=PA244>
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The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-24 03:49 -0800
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  Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-24 09:46 -0600
    Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Dusty Kollmann <uberdrivery@uberdriver.info> - 2016-11-24 20:43 +0000
      Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-25 17:46 +0100
        Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-25 14:04 -0800
          Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-26 00:20 +0100
            Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-26 01:56 +0100
            Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-25 17:18 -0800
              Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-26 02:49 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-26 08:46 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-26 19:30 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-26 12:37 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-27 13:19 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-27 16:54 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-27 12:08 -0800
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                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-03 09:51 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-12-04 09:44 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-04 09:07 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-04 09:17 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-04 09:48 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-04 15:39 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-05 12:31 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-05 13:23 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-27 11:08 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-27 21:29 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-27 13:34 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-27 23:42 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-30 09:13 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-30 19:26 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 12:51 -0600
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-01 14:35 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-01 14:42 +0100
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                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-02 16:40 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 09:52 -0600
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-02 18:45 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 10:37 -0600
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-30 11:03 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-01 14:21 +0100
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-01 15:25 +0100
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                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-02 11:15 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-02 12:17 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-03 09:47 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-03 09:56 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-03 10:49 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-03 10:58 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2016-12-03 11:31 -0800
                Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-02 22:18 +0100
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