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Re: The Fatal Achilles Heel of Einstein's Relativity

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alsor@interia.pl wrote:

> W dniu sobota, 26 listopada 2016 19:30:51 UTC+1 użytkownik Thomas
> 'PointedEars'
>> >> > You observe the Sun motion with a cycle 24h, perfectly!
>> >> No, and repeating this nonsense over and over again does not make it
>> >> true.
>> > 
>> > OK. Now we know You have not seen a clock in your life yet.
>> 
>> No, now we know that you have no idea about the universe, starting with
>> the Sun.
> 
> Do you know elementary arithmetics?
> 
> Try to compute this:
> 86400 [seconds] = x [hours]
> 
> it's very hard equation. :)

If you cared to read, that one day has 24 hours, one hour has 60 minutes, 
and one minute has 60 seconds, which makes 86'400 seconds per day, are 
*conventions* to make life easier (passed down from Ptolemy and Muslim 
scholars).

It is _not_ the astronomical reality.  There are several definitions of 
“day” in that regard: the *solar day* (the time it takes for Sol [the Sun] 
to return to its highest point in the Terran sky: only *on average* 86'400 
seconds), and the *sidereal day* (from Latin «sidus» “star”; the time it 
takes a location on the surface of Terra to have the same stars in the 
zenith again, or IOW to complete one full rotation): (currently) 23 hours, 
56 minutes, and 4.1 seconds.

Obviously, in considering Terra’s *rotation*, one must refer to the 
*sidereal* day, which I *explicitly* did (you just did not pay attention).
   
>> > f'/f = 1 - vr / 1 - vs
>> > 
>> > [ex falso quodlibet]
>> 
>> This nonsense is your invention; it is certainly not corroborated by the
>> Wikipedia article that you are citing.
> 
> It's perfectly correct:

No, it is not.  Learn to read.
 
>> Besides, you forgot to apply the Lorentz transform to the *actual*
>> equation.
> 
> I use the correct - exact solution,

No, you do not.

> not the SR approximation.
> 
> The correct formula for the Doppler shift is:
> 
> sqrt[(1-vr)/(1-vs) x (1+vs)/(1+vr)]

That is not even an equation, and it certainly is not "the correct formula".
 
> and the relativistic is just that:
> sqrt[(1 - v)/(1 + v)];

That is not an equation either.  You *really* need to *learn* what you are 
talking about.
 
> where v is a relativistic speed (a fictitious number):
> v = vs-vr / 1-ve*vs; (c=1)

Wrong.  As you could also have read in what I referred you to, the correct 
equation for the relativistic Doppler effect is

  v_observed = v_source √(1 − (v∕c)²)∕√(1 − v∕c)                       (1)

or

  v_observed = v_source √(1 + v∕c)∕(1 − v∕c))

where v is the *relative speed* of source and observer (positive if the 
source is approaching the observer).

(Notice those *square roots*?  They are *missing* from *all* your 
"formulas", from which one can see *at a glance* that you have _not_ applied 
the Lorentz transform *correctly*.)

And if you prefer to use natural units (c := 1) – although you are clearly 
not understanding them –, then it becomes

  v_observed = v_source √(1 − v²)∕√(1 − v)

or

  v_observed = v_source √(1 + v)∕(1 − v))

(and the square roots *are still there*).

Even if, just for fun, we solve equation 1 for v, we get

  v = c

and

  v = c v_observed²∕v_source² − c

so for c := 1:

  v = 1

and

  v = v_observed²∕v_source² − 1,

(Not *remotely* what you have.)

So much for “elementary arithmetics”.

-- 
PointedEars

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