Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA
Date	2017-04-26 14:57 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID	<2017Apr26.165748@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>On 4/25/2017 3:39 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Note that open source is not enough.  There is one camp in the free
>> software movement that sees end user rights as paramount, while
>> another camp has mainly the programmers' rights in mind.  This does
>> not result in the same position in all cases.  In particular, the
>> first camp is against Tivoization (similar to the John Deere case),
>> while the second camp finds it acceptable; the GPLv3 is intended to
>> prevent Tivoization of GPLv3 software, and has therefore been rejected
>> by Linus Torvalds, who wrote that Tivo had the right to determine what
>> software runs on their devices (referring to devices that Tivo had
>> produced and *sold* to customers).
...
>When I looked up Tivoization I found that Torvalds was *not* opposed to 
>GPLv3.  'Linus Torvalds said he was "pretty pleased" with the new 
>draft's stance on DRM.[18]'
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization#GPLv3
>
>http://archive.is/20120713115859/http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6171300-7.html
>
>Is this reference out of date?

I don't think it fully represents his position.  The bottom line is
that he thinks that Tivoization is acceptable, and he chooses GPLv2-only for
his software because of that.

Anyway, the point is that open source software is not enough to ensure
that you have control over the hardware.  Not in Tivo devices, and
probably not in John Deere machinery, either.  A license like GPLv3
probably helps, or some legislative measures (but John Deere probably
has more money for getting the best laws that money can buy).

- anton
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Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 18:12 -0700
  Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 19:08 -0700
    Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 21:22 -0500
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:06 -0700
        Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 22:00 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:48 -0400
  Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:12 -0700
    Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:24 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:27 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 23:35 -0500
    Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 23:32 -0500
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:54 -0400
        Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 01:10 -0500
          Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:20 -0400
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 02:12 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 04:51 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-26 03:42 -0500
  Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-25 07:39 +0000
    Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:33 -0400
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-26 14:57 +0000
        Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:22 -0400

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