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Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA

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On 4/25/2017 3:39 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> foxaudioresearch@gmail.com writes:
>> This is a disturbing development.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/
>>
>> We need open source cars, tractors and well... everything now.
>
> Note that open source is not enough.  There is one camp in the free
> software movement that sees end user rights as paramount, while
> another camp has mainly the programmers' rights in mind.  This does
> not result in the same position in all cases.  In particular, the
> first camp is against Tivoization (similar to the John Deere case),
> while the second camp finds it acceptable; the GPLv3 is intended to
> prevent Tivoization of GPLv3 software, and has therefore been rejected
> by Linus Torvalds, who wrote that Tivo had the right to determine what
> software runs on their devices (referring to devices that Tivo had
> produced and *sold* to customers).
>
> Interestingly, the article above also says " Product makers don’t like
> people messing with their stuff", as if the product makers were still
> the owners after selling the product.

When I looked up Tivoization I found that Torvalds was *not* opposed to 
GPLv3.  'Linus Torvalds said he was "pretty pleased" with the new 
draft's stance on DRM.[18]'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization#GPLv3

http://archive.is/20120713115859/http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6171300-7.html

Is this reference out of date?

-- 

Rick C

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Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 18:12 -0700
  Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 19:08 -0700
    Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 21:22 -0500
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:06 -0700
        Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 22:00 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:48 -0400
  Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:12 -0700
    Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:24 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 21:27 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 23:35 -0500
    Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-24 23:32 -0500
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:54 -0400
        Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-04-25 01:10 -0500
          Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:20 -0400
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 02:12 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 04:51 -0700
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-26 03:42 -0500
  Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-25 07:39 +0000
    Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 12:33 -0400
      Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-26 14:57 +0000
        Re: Software Could Re-define Ownership in the USA rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:22 -0400

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