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| From | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.logic, comp.lang.prolog, sci.physics |
| Subject | It’s called . . . . enshittification (About the price tag for using a multifile/1) |
| Date | 2026-08-14 00:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <115lhlh$e3jt$2@solani.org> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <114knri$pjus$3@solani.org> <114kohb$pkdq$3@solani.org> <114lt1j$qdjc$2@solani.org> <114m3mh$qh7p$3@solani.org> <114m3q3$qhf7$1@solani.org> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
Hi,
It is simply solved by these strings/3 facts:
> :- multifile(strings/3).
>
> /* de = ISO locale atoms with prefix de_ */
> strings('evaluation_error.zero_divisor', de, 'Nulldivision.').
>
> /* '' = fall back ISO locale atoms */
> strings('evaluation_error.zero_divisor', '', 'Division by zero.').
About the price tag for using a multifile/1
directives in your Prolog code, instead of some
libc binding: Effort practically zero, just
write the directive before your clauses in every
file you define strings/3. Learning curve
practically zero, at least I assume so, multifile/1
directive is very intuitive. So the bottomline is
you didn’t buy the ISO Prolog core standard,
and also you didn’t buy the ISO POSIX standard,
400 pages fresh from the Austin group, in a classic
English office park in Berkshire, costs only 226
CHF in 2026 from ISO.
You see its everywhere, not only that GitHub
wants money for CI, even POSIX is subject to what
Cory Doctorow sees as Honey Moon, Bait-and-Switch
and Final Form , i.e. enshittification.
It’s called . . . . enshittification
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShBOcElw1b0
Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> > But, I still don't know what you main goal is?
>
> It explicity says "Prolog inferencing" in
> this phrase:
>
> > shave off some of the TOPS to do Prolog inferencing
>
> It nowhere says draw some fancy stuff into
> a Web canvas.
>
> Bye
>
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> > It has textures to work with in the pipeline.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Why would I use text inside my compute shader.
>> Could you tell me. The Hack VM doesn't do
>> textures. You are confused. There is nothing
>>
>> about textures here:
>>
>> 11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop
>> https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget
>>
>> You can read the text , it says nowhere
>> consume or produce textures. Its not a rendering
>> application. I use the compute shader to run Prolog:
>>
>> "At the end of 2025 we acquired a couple of
>> AI Laptops , that were still cheap, since
>> RAM prices had not yet rocketed. The intend
>> was to tap into the Copilot+ certified hardware,
>> and shave off some of the TOPS to do Prolog
>> inferencing. Amazingly our π-WAM can
>> churn 11.4 GIGA LIPS.
>>
>> GPUs have evolved form lock-step to independent
>> thread scheduling. This made it possible to
>> port the Hack VM variant, that forms the basis
>> for our π-WAM, to WebGPU computer shaders.
>> Using NUM_SHADERS = 4096 we could produce
>> 11.4 Giga Lips on a Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M."
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> WebGPU and WebGL are two different things. I explained
>>> that towards you already like 3-5 times.
>>>
>>> > Of course we can make a special texture to handle it.
>>>
>>> You still don't understand that I am using WebGPU,
>>> and not WebGL. WebGPU has three improvements,
>>> that from your talking are missing in WebGL?
>>>
>>> - It has compute shaders
>>> - It has arrays
>>> - It has structs
>>> - What else?
>>>
>>> I didn't use structs in my example, although Gemini
>>> nearly forced me to use structs. But you could
>>> use a struct with fields and some of these arrays
>>>
>>> to represent a queue. But here in this example
>>> that is open source, I only used flat arrays. I
>>> nowhere needed to abuse textures to store something:
>>>
>>> 11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop
>>> https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget
>>>
>>> You can study the source code, the arrays have
>>> CUDA inspired binding annotations but are not
>>> CUDA but rather WGSL:
>>>
>>> Hack VM as a Compute Shader in WGSL
>>> @group(0) @binding(0) var<storage, read> code: array<i32>;
>>> @group(0) @binding(1) var<storage, read_write> state: array<i32>;
>>> https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget/blob/main/course/example63/boot.mjs
>>>
>>>
>>> You can say whether a buffer is read, or read_write.
>>> Buffers can be transfered from CPU to GPU, before
>>> running commands, and transfered back from GPU to
>>>
>>> CPU after running commands. The use case that
>>> you find on GitHub uses both. Namely also fetching
>>> results via a buffer, to then show them in
>>>
>>> the HTML page. Shouldn't be much a problem to
>>> run the example at home locally, all you need is
>>> a HTTPS server. But the example is not yet queues,
>>>
>>> but it already shows the foundation, which is WebGPU
>>> with its language WGSL and not WebGL with its language
>>> GLSL. These are two different things.
>>>
>>> I explained that towards you already like 3-5 times.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Chris M. Thomasson schrieb:
>>> > On 8/1/2026 5:22 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> As easy as queues and FIFO objects might
>>> >> sound. They don't like congestion. NACK for
>>> >> retransmission might double the Manhattan Distance:
>>> > [...]
>>> >
>>> > You are going to need a place to allocate nodes in the compute
>>> shader. Of course we can make a special texture to handle it. But, we
>>> need to strive to avoid a wait condition. I don't want a compute
>>> shader to spin. Yes, CAS can be used, but, try to make it be used as
>>> a "state machine", where the transitions from states are atomic. Try
>>> to avoid it making a loop, where we loop on failure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> As easy as queues and FIFO objects might
>>>> sound. They don't like congestion. NACK for
>>>> retransmission might double the Manhattan Distance:
>>>>
>>>> You have not only start
>>>> S to end E communication:
>>>>
>>>> +----E
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>> You might also have ACK or NACK
>>>> from E or midpoints back to S:
>>>>
>>>> S'
>>>> +
>>>> +
>>>> E'
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I made that up, I have no idea what a flit is,
>>>> when the author wrote this here:
>>>>
>>>> "Packet flits are held in the FIFO which can
>>>> be used to determine back pressure. Dropping flits
>>>> in a NoC may not be possible since these
>>>> architectures may not provide an end-to-end
>>>> protocol for retransmission."
>>>>
>>>> Routing Algorithms for 2D NoC Architectures
>>>> http://cva.stanford.edu/classes/ee382c/research/2DRouting.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the floor plan of a NPU:
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting peak TOPS on a Ryzen AI 7 350 NPU
>>>>> https://destevez.net/2026/05/getting-peak-tops-on-a-ryzen-ai-7-350-npu/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me comms between tiles takes
>>>>> at least Manhattan Distance or L1 Norm time,
>>>>> if there is no comms congestion
>>>>>
>>>>> But how does a packet travel? This way:
>>>>>
>>>>> +----E
>>>>> |
>>>>> |
>>>>> S
>>>>>
>>>>> Or this way, from start S to end E:
>>>>>
>>>>> +-E
>>>>> +
>>>>> +
>>>>> S
>>>>>
>>>>> And what does the chip do if there is
>>>>> traffic congestion? Some papers are
>>>>> here, possibly an old problem giving
>>>>>
>>>>> that processor "cubes" are nothing new.
>>>>> But a "cube" would be 3D and not 2D.
>>>>> This paper is old from 2007 or so:
>>>>>
>>>>> Routing Algorithms for 2D NoC Architectures
>>>>> http://cva.stanford.edu/classes/ee382c/research/2DRouting.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye
>>>
>>
>
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