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  iMac Refresh RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2020-08-06 06:16 +0000
    Re: iMac Refresh bob <email@domain.com> - 2020-08-06 10:29 +0200
      Re: iMac Refresh RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2020-08-06 08:42 +0000
    Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-06 08:30 -0400
      Re: iMac Refresh bob <email@domain.com> - 2020-08-06 16:51 +0200
        Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-06 12:53 -0400
          Re: iMac Refresh Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-06 17:26 +0000
            Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 09:05 -0400
              Re: iMac Refresh Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-07 14:06 +0000
                Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:20 -0400
                  Re: iMac Refresh Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-07 19:35 +0000
        Re: iMac Refresh Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2020-08-06 21:11 +0100
          Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 09:05 -0400
            Re: iMac Refresh Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2020-08-07 23:27 +0100
              Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:36 -0400
      Re: iMac Refresh RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2020-08-06 19:30 +0000
        Re: iMac Refresh Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2020-08-07 08:41 +0000
          Re: iMac Refresh Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-08-07 10:03 +0000
            Re: iMac Refresh Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2020-08-07 12:01 +0000
        Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 09:05 -0400
          Re: iMac Refresh Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-07 14:06 +0000
            Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:20 -0400
              Re: iMac Refresh Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-07 19:35 +0000
          Re: iMac Refresh RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2020-08-07 15:06 +0000
            Re: iMac Refresh nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:20 -0400
              Re: iMac Refresh Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-07 19:35 +0000
                Re: iMac Refresh Ray <amos-jones@outlook.com> - 2020-08-08 07:25 +0000
                  Re: iMac Refresh Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-08 08:57 +0000

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#146134

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <rghlnu$t73$1@gioia.aioe.org>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone like to talk me out of it? :-)
>>> 
>>> it's *already* obsolete.
>> 
>> In the sense that I expect it to work, to do the things I want it to do, it
>> won't be obsolete for me. Or I suspect pretty much everyone else who buys one.
>> And I'm not sure how something can become obsolete before the replacement is
>> announced.
> 
> it will certainly work, however, based on past transitions, it won't be
> supported as long, won't be as fast and will have fewer features than
> apple silicon macs. some software will require apple silicon, with no
> intel counterpart.

True. But if you buy a first generation Silicon Mac it will be superseded
by more advanced ones later. Tech will keep moving forward. 

> the future is apple silicon. intel is the past (and in more ways than
> one).

There will also be future Intel Macs. Some were just released. 

> the only reason to buy an intel mac is if you absolutely need something
> *now* and cannot wait under any circumstances (e.g., existing mac
> failed and it must be replaced *today*), or for some reason, you need
> to natively run both windows and mac os.

I am happy you learned what I was telling you before about the Intel Macs
almost surely handling running Windows better. Excellent! 

>>> wait for apple silicon.
>> 
>> Yes, I would have done if it was due in the next year. But really, I'm not
>> that curious.
> 
> the first apple silicon mac(s) will be released by the end of 2020,
> likely announced in october, approximately 2.5 months from now.

Sure. But not the whole range. Likely portables first. Maybe something
else. 



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#146138

In article <hp55g2F3s4pU2@mid.individual.net>, Snit
<usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >>>> 
> >>>> Anyone like to talk me out of it? :-)
> >>> 
> >>> it's *already* obsolete.
> >> 
> >> In the sense that I expect it to work, to do the things I want it to do, it
> >> won't be obsolete for me. Or I suspect pretty much everyone else who buys
> >> one.
> >> And I'm not sure how something can become obsolete before the replacement
> >> is
> >> announced.
> > 
> > it will certainly work, however, based on past transitions, it won't be
> > supported as long, won't be as fast and will have fewer features than
> > apple silicon macs. some software will require apple silicon, with no
> > intel counterpart.
> 
> True. But if you buy a first generation Silicon Mac it will be superseded
> by more advanced ones later. Tech will keep moving forward. 

of course, but as usual, you miss the point.

apple silicon is a *significant* step forward, not an incremental one.

one simple example out of many is the ability to run ios apps on apple
silicon macs, something that's impossible on an intel mac, thereby
adding nearly 2 million apps to one's coffers.

> > the future is apple silicon. intel is the past (and in more ways than
> > one).
> 
> There will also be future Intel Macs. Some were just released. 

nothing substantial and severely crippled by intel's incompetence, plus
any future intel macs have been in the pipeline for a while.

> > the only reason to buy an intel mac is if you absolutely need something
> > *now* and cannot wait under any circumstances (e.g., existing mac
> > failed and it must be replaced *today*), or for some reason, you need
> > to natively run both windows and mac os.
> 
> I am happy you learned what I was telling you before about the Intel Macs
> almost surely handling running Windows better. Excellent! 

get off your high horse and stop trolling, twisting and projecting.

> >>> wait for apple silicon.
> >> 
> >> Yes, I would have done if it was due in the next year. But really, I'm not
> >> that curious.
> > 
> > the first apple silicon mac(s) will be released by the end of 2020,
> > likely announced in october, approximately 2.5 months from now.
> 
> Sure. But not the whole range. Likely portables first. Maybe something
> else.

nobody said the whole range.

apple stated the transition would take two years.

history indicates it will be complete in about one year, with the bulk
of it likely within six months.

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#146141

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <hp55g2F3s4pU2@mid.individual.net>, Snit
> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone like to talk me out of it? :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> it's *already* obsolete.
>>>> 
>>>> In the sense that I expect it to work, to do the things I want it to do, it
>>>> won't be obsolete for me. Or I suspect pretty much everyone else who buys
>>>> one.
>>>> And I'm not sure how something can become obsolete before the replacement
>>>> is
>>>> announced.
>>> 
>>> it will certainly work, however, based on past transitions, it won't be
>>> supported as long, won't be as fast and will have fewer features than
>>> apple silicon macs. some software will require apple silicon, with no
>>> intel counterpart.
>> 
>> True. But if you buy a first generation Silicon Mac it will be superseded
>> by more advanced ones later. Tech will keep moving forward. 
> 
> of course, but as usual, you miss the point.
> 
> apple silicon is a *significant* step forward, not an incremental one.
> 
> one simple example out of many is the ability to run ios apps on apple
> silicon macs, something that's impossible on an intel mac, thereby
> adding nearly 2 million apps to one's coffers.

Did the voice in your head deny that feature?

>>> the future is apple silicon. intel is the past (and in more ways than
>>> one).
>> 
>> There will also be future Intel Macs. Some were just released. 
> 
> nothing substantial and severely crippled by intel's incompetence, plus
> any future intel macs have been in the pipeline for a while.

Did the voice in your head say otherwise?

>>> the only reason to buy an intel mac is if you absolutely need something
>>> *now* and cannot wait under any circumstances (e.g., existing mac
>>> failed and it must be replaced *today*), or for some reason, you need
>>> to natively run both windows and mac os.
>> 
>> I am happy you learned what I was telling you before about the Intel Macs
>> almost surely handling running Windows better. Excellent! 

Nospam cannot handle that he learned. Oy. 

> get off your high horse and stop trolling, twisting and projecting.
> 
>>>>> wait for apple silicon.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I would have done if it was due in the next year. But really, I'm not
>>>> that curious.
>>> 
>>> the first apple silicon mac(s) will be released by the end of 2020,
>>> likely announced in october, approximately 2.5 months from now.
>> 
>> Sure. But not the whole range. Likely portables first. Maybe something
>> else.
> 
> nobody said the whole range.

Did the voice in your head say someone did?

> apple stated the transition would take two years.
> 
> history indicates it will be complete in about one year, with the bulk
> of it likely within six months.

Fairly likely. Which would be great. 



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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

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#146135

On 7 Aug 2020 at 14:05:28 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <rghlnu$t73$1@gioia.aioe.org>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone like to talk me out of it? :-)
>>> 
>>> it's *already* obsolete.
>> 
>> In the sense that I expect it to work, to do the things I want it to do, it
>> won't be obsolete for me. Or I suspect pretty much everyone else who buys
>> one.
>> And I'm not sure how something can become obsolete before the replacement is
>> announced.
> 
> it will certainly work, however, based on past transitions, it won't be
> supported as long, won't be as fast and will have fewer features than
> apple silicon macs. some software will require apple silicon, with no
> intel counterpart.

The feature side of things will be interesting. I had Intel and PPC Macs at
the time of the last change and I don't remember any significant feature
difference - insofar as my memory serves correctly and the comparison is
relevant.

> 
> the future is apple silicon. intel is the past (and in more ways than
> one).

Well, partly the case. It is literally the present, for end users at least.

> 
> the only reason to buy an intel mac is if you absolutely need something
> *now* and cannot wait under any circumstances (e.g., existing mac
> failed and it must be replaced *today*), or for some reason, you need
> to natively run both windows and mac os.
> 
>>> wait for apple silicon.
>> 
>> Yes, I would have done if it was due in the next year. But really, I'm not
>> that curious.
> 
> the first apple silicon mac(s) will be released by the end of 2020,
> likely announced in october, approximately 2.5 months from now.

We'll see. I'd be very surprised if we see a silcon iMac for a year or more.

-- 
Cheers, Rob

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#146139

In article <rgjqmf$dv4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
wrote:

> >>>> Anyone like to talk me out of it? :-)
> >>> 
> >>> it's *already* obsolete.
> >> 
> >> In the sense that I expect it to work, to do the things I want it to do, it
> >> won't be obsolete for me. Or I suspect pretty much everyone else who buys
> >> one.
> >> And I'm not sure how something can become obsolete before the replacement
> >> is
> >> announced.
> > 
> > it will certainly work, however, based on past transitions, it won't be
> > supported as long, won't be as fast and will have fewer features than
> > apple silicon macs. some software will require apple silicon, with no
> > intel counterpart.
> 
> The feature side of things will be interesting. I had Intel and PPC Macs at
> the time of the last change and I don't remember any significant feature
> difference - insofar as my memory serves correctly and the comparison is
> relevant.

there were numerous cases where an intel mac could do things powerpc
macs could not. 

almost immediately, there were intel-only apps, mainly from developers
who were new to the platform and never had a powerpc mac.

writing ios apps required an intel mac, as did natively running windows.

for apple silicon, ios apps will run natively, which will never be
possible on intel, and expect to see many of them ported to have a
somewhat normal mac ui. 

also expect a variety of hardware features that were not previously
possible with intel.

> >>> wait for apple silicon.
> >> 
> >> Yes, I would have done if it was due in the next year. But really, I'm not
> >> that curious.
> > 
> > the first apple silicon mac(s) will be released by the end of 2020,
> > likely announced in october, approximately 2.5 months from now.
> 
> We'll see. I'd be very surprised if we see a silcon iMac for a year or more.

keep in mind that the first intel mac was the imac.

imac is the most popular desktop mac, and it had only a minimal update
this past week. the imac pro was not updated at all. 

the imac is a strong contender for being among the first.

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#146142

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <rgjqmf$dv4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Anyone like to talk me out of it? :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> it's *already* obsolete.
>>>> 
>>>> In the sense that I expect it to work, to do the things I want it to do, it
>>>> won't be obsolete for me. Or I suspect pretty much everyone else who buys
>>>> one.
>>>> And I'm not sure how something can become obsolete before the replacement
>>>> is
>>>> announced.
>>> 
>>> it will certainly work, however, based on past transitions, it won't be
>>> supported as long, won't be as fast and will have fewer features than
>>> apple silicon macs. some software will require apple silicon, with no
>>> intel counterpart.
>> 
>> The feature side of things will be interesting. I had Intel and PPC Macs at
>> the time of the last change and I don't remember any significant feature
>> difference - insofar as my memory serves correctly and the comparison is
>> relevant.
> 
> there were numerous cases where an intel mac could do things powerpc
> macs could not. 
> 
> almost immediately, there were intel-only apps, mainly from developers
> who were new to the platform and never had a powerpc mac.
> 
> writing ios apps required an intel mac, as did natively running windows.
> 
> for apple silicon, ios apps will run natively, which will never be
> possible on intel, and expect to see many of them ported to have a
> somewhat normal mac ui. 
> 
> also expect a variety of hardware features that were not previously
> possible with intel.

True — but as you and Gremlin have learned, not Windows x86 virtualization.


>>>>> wait for apple silicon.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I would have done if it was due in the next year. But really, I'm not
>>>> that curious.
>>> 
>>> the first apple silicon mac(s) will be released by the end of 2020,
>>> likely announced in october, approximately 2.5 months from now.
>> 
>> We'll see. I'd be very surprised if we see a silcon iMac for a year or more.
> 
> keep in mind that the first intel mac was the imac.
> 
> imac is the most popular desktop mac, and it had only a minimal update
> this past week. 

Pretty significant. Biggest update to camera in years, biggest update to
glass options in years, biggest choice of GPUs, no more Fusion drives, etc.


> the imac pro was not updated at all. 
> 
> the imac is a strong contender for being among the first.

Given how it was just updated that is questionable but not impossible. 



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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

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#146145

On 7 Aug 2020 at 20:35:11 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> Pretty significant. Biggest update to camera in years, biggest update to
> glass options in years, biggest choice of GPUs, no more Fusion drives, etc.

Sounds like they're using up all the bits in the parts bins before whatever
comes next can't use them.

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You might suddenly get better.

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#146146

Ray <amos-jones@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2020 at 20:35:11 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pretty significant. Biggest update to camera in years, biggest update to
>> glass options in years, biggest choice of GPUs, no more Fusion drives, etc.
> 
> Sounds like they're using up all the bits in the parts bins before whatever
> comes next can't use them.
> 

Maybe. But I can’t image the cameras would not work. Maybe the current Zoom
Boom makes that more important. Same with the glass options. 

-- 
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

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