Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > sci.physics > #710979 > unrolled thread

NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!

Started byyporat08@gmail.com
First post2018-11-02 00:37 -0700
Last post2018-11-10 11:28 -0800
Articles 20 on this page of 61 — 7 participants

Back to article view | Back to sci.physics


Contents

  NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 00:37 -0700
    Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 07:19 -0700
      Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 15:46 +0000
        Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 09:53 -0700
          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 17:33 +0000
            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 12:01 -0700
              Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 22:38 +0000
                Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 17:12 -0700
                  Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 22:08 -0700
                  Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 13:28 +0000
                    Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 07:30 -0700
                      Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 14:43 +0000
                        Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 11:07 -0700
                          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 18:09 +0000
                            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 18:45 +0000
                              Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-05 02:59 -0800
                                Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Rick Jones <RJones1993@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 06:17 -0800
                      Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 08:00 -0700
                        Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "I. Seymour Butts" <invalid@example.com> - 2018-11-03 13:26 -0700
            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 23:56 -0800
              Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000
                Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 16:50 -0800
                  Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 03:44 +0000
                    Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 21:12 -0800
                      Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 12:53 +0000
                        Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 07:56 -0800
                          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 08:34 -0800
                            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 10:00 -0800
                            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:40 +0000
                              Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 11:52 -0800
                                Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 20:04 +0000
                                  Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 16:41 -0800
                                    Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 01:07 +0000
                                      Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 22:27 -0800
                                        Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-12 22:37 -0800
                                          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 01:16 -0800
                                        Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 12:35 +0000
                                          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 06:45 -0800
                                            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:36 +0000
                                              Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 08:58 -0800
                                                Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000
                                                  Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-13 23:19 -0800
                          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:40 +0000
          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 19:19 -0700
            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 22:33 -0700
            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-04 08:42 -0800
              Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-05 14:13 -0800
                Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-05 16:39 -0800
    Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 14:56 +0000
      Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 23:40 -0800
        Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000
    Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 11:49 -0700
    Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 17:36 -0800
      Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-06 02:57 -0800
        Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-09 17:56 -0800
          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 01:32 -0800
          Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 01:37 -0800
            Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 01:43 -0800
              Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 04:57 -0800
              Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 10:21 -0800
                Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-10 11:28 -0800

Page 1 of 4  [1] 2 3 4  Next page →


#710979 — NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-02 00:37 -0700
SubjectNO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!
Message-ID<1806fe7d-04fa-4ab9-9f28-d8732ea21c90@googlegroups.com>
There  is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!!

space is nothing!!
and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
except length  dimension --
--that by itself cannot be detected 
if no mass  in it !!! 
for me 
Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
I was dwelling on it here along  many years !

that does not to say that
I AM  not A GREAT   ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !!
FOR
his 
E=mc^2

for his photoelectric findings 
and   his   SR!!
that  is as well right !!!! 

===================================
but
Einstein was only a human  being 
not an Angle from  heaven
and
'Hominum -errata est''  (spell ??in  Roman 
====== 
now
if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' 
just imagine!! the damage it was causing
along more than 100  years     !! 
 by preventing  / ''screening''   some
  other  real 
needed advance   !! 

NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 

not to speak about  PRACTICAL USES
 even  NASSA by its interstellar  projects 
(to send a human  being to  Mars!!!
does no use it!!
except 
the   ordinary  Newtonian physics !!
now
what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
2
my  alternative  claim is that
even fantastical it looks in our days 
that
=============================================
Mass**  IS THE CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
===========================================
the Faraday  ingenious  experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!

unprecedented  !!

====================================
TIA (humbly )
Eng
Yehiel Porat 
2/11/2018
======================

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]


#710989

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-02 07:19 -0700
Message-ID<22d46797-5dcc-489d-acd8-72c52ba77506@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#710979
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> There  is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!!
> 
> space is nothing!!
> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> except length  dimension --
> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> if no mass  in it !!! 
> for me 
> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> 
> that does not to say that
> I AM  not A GREAT   ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !!
> FOR
> his 
> E=mc^2
> 
> for his photoelectric findings 
> and   his   SR!!
> that  is as well right !!!! 
> 
> ===================================
> but
> Einstein was only a human  being 
> not an Angle from  heaven
> and
> 'Hominum -errata est''  (spell ??in  Roman 
> ====== 
> now
> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' 
> just imagine!! the damage it was causing
> along more than 100  years     !! 
>  by preventing  / ''screening''   some
>   other  real 
> needed advance   !! 
> 
> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> 
> not to speak about  PRACTICAL USES
>  even  NASSA by its interstellar  projects 
> (to send a human  being to  Mars!!!
> does no use it!!
> except 
> the   ordinary  Newtonian physics !!
> now
> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> 2
> my  alternative  claim is that
> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> that
> =============================================
> Mass**  IS THE CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> ===========================================
> the Faraday  ingenious  experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> 
> unprecedented  !!
> 
> ====================================
> TIA (humbly )
> Eng
> Yehiel Porat 
> 2/11/2018
> ======================
now

odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
wanted to  cheat us  
by saying that:

GPS  is using 'curved space' physics

so what do you think about it ?

TIA
Y.Porat

====================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#710997

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 15:46 +0000
Message-ID<prhrfr$n2e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#710989
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> There  is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!!
>> 
>> space is nothing!!
>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>> except length  dimension --
>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>> for me 
>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>> 
>> that does not to say that
>> I AM  not A GREAT   ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !!
>> FOR
>> his 
>> E=mc^2
>> 
>> for his photoelectric findings 
>> and   his   SR!!
>> that  is as well right !!!! 
>> 
>> ===================================
>> but
>> Einstein was only a human  being 
>> not an Angle from  heaven
>> and
>> 'Hominum -errata est''  (spell ??in  Roman 
>> ====== 
>> now
>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' 
>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing
>> along more than 100  years     !! 
>> by preventing  / ''screening''   some
>> other  real 
>> needed advance   !! 
>> 
>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>> 
>> not to speak about  PRACTICAL USES
>> even  NASSA by its interstellar  projects 
>> (to send a human  being to  Mars!!!
>> does no use it!!
>> except 
>> the   ordinary  Newtonian physics !!
>> now
>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>> 2
>> my  alternative  claim is that
>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>> that
>> =============================================
>> Mass**  IS THE CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>> ===========================================
>> the Faraday  ingenious  experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>> 
>> unprecedented  !!
>> 
>> ====================================
>> TIA (humbly )
>> Eng
>> Yehiel Porat 
>> 2/11/2018
>> ======================
> now
> 
> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> wanted to  cheat us  
> by saying that:
> 
> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> 
> so what do you think about it ?
> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> 
> ====================
> 

I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that
your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn’t this embarrass
you a little?
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html


-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711004

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-02 09:53 -0700
Message-ID<4468b20a-3af5-4770-aefb-25d194075468@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#710997
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> There  is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!!
> >> 
> >> space is nothing!!
> >> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> >> except length  dimension --
> >> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> >> if no mass  in it !!! 
> >> for me 
> >> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> >> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> >> 
> >> that does not to say that
> >> I AM  not A GREAT   ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !!
> >> FOR
> >> his 
> >> E=mc^2
> >> 
> >> for his photoelectric findings 
> >> and   his   SR!!
> >> that  is as well right !!!! 
> >> 
> >> ===================================
> >> but
> >> Einstein was only a human  being 
> >> not an Angle from  heaven
> >> and
> >> 'Hominum -errata est''  (spell ??in  Roman 
> >> ====== 
> >> now
> >> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' 
> >> just imagine!! the damage it was causing
> >> along more than 100  years     !! 
> >> by preventing  / ''screening''   some
> >> other  real 
> >> needed advance   !! 
> >> 
> >> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> >> 
> >> not to speak about  PRACTICAL USES
> >> even  NASSA by its interstellar  projects 
> >> (to send a human  being to  Mars!!!
> >> does no use it!!
> >> except 
> >> the   ordinary  Newtonian physics !!
> >> now
> >> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> >> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> >> 2
> >> my  alternative  claim is that
> >> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> >> that
> >> =============================================
> >> Mass**  IS THE CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> >> ===========================================
> >> the Faraday  ingenious  experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> >> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> >> 
> >> unprecedented  !!
> >> 
> >> ====================================
> >> TIA (humbly )
> >> Eng
> >> Yehiel Porat 
> >> 2/11/2018
> >> ======================
> > now
> > 
> > odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> > wanted to  cheat us  
> > by saying that:
> > 
> > GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> > 
> > so what do you think about it ?
> > 
> > TIA
> > Y.Porat
> > 
> > ====================
> > 
> 
> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that
> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn’t this embarrass
> you a little?
> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

=========================
thank you Bodkin
indeed you are better than me in searching 
the net 
now
please note 

the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!

if space is curved 
why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!

IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
probably
with relative short distance straight lines !!

em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
they move  in straight lines 
and therefore there  is the need of 
 an 
eye to eye    system !!  
not because curved space !!
but curved  globe 
2
I indicated that
even  according to my understanding
SR  is right !!!

so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
and   i understand  it 
but not 
Gr calculations 
we have to find  out 
if they use
GR calculations
or may be
just SR calculations 
and  it is their mistake to mix 
Sr 
with GR ??
we have to ask 
the  real people 
who did  it 
'with  their hands'' 
and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
Sr with     GR!??
==================
TIA
Y.P
============== 





[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711031

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 17:33 +0000
Message-ID<pri1op$12fu$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#711004
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> There  is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!!
>>>> 
>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>> for me 
>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>> 
>>>> that does not to say that
>>>> I AM  not A GREAT   ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !!
>>>> FOR
>>>> his 
>>>> E=mc^2
>>>> 
>>>> for his photoelectric findings 
>>>> and   his   SR!!
>>>> that  is as well right !!!! 
>>>> 
>>>> ==================================> >> but
>>>> Einstein was only a human  being 
>>>> not an Angle from  heaven
>>>> and
>>>> 'Hominum -errata est''  (spell ??in  Roman 
>>>> ====== 
>>>> now
>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' 
>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing
>>>> along more than 100  years     !! 
>>>> by preventing  / ''screening''   some
>>>> other  real 
>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>> 
>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>> 
>>>> not to speak about  PRACTICAL USES
>>>> even  NASSA by its interstellar  projects 
>>>> (to send a human  being to  Mars!!!
>>>> does no use it!!
>>>> except 
>>>> the   ordinary  Newtonian physics !!
>>>> now
>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>> 2
>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>> that
>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>> 
>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>> 
>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>> Eng
>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>> =====================> > now
>>> 
>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>> by saying that:
>>> 
>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>> 
>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>> 
>>> TIA
>>> Y.Porat
>>> 
>>> ===================> > 
>> 
>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that
>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesnt this embarrass
>> you a little?
>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin  Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> ========================thank you Bodkin
> indeed you are better than me in searching 
> the net 
> now
> please note 
> 
> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> 
> if space is curved 
> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!

Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 

> 
> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!

No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 

You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
doesn’t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
curved spacetime. THAT’S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!

> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> probably
> with relative short distance straight lines !!

Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
with the curvature of spacetime at the earth’s surface. The radius of
curvature of spacetime near the earth’s surface is 31 million billion feet.
The radius of curvature of the earth’s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
look like the same numbers to you!?!

> 
> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> they move  in straight lines 
> and therefore there  is the need of 
>  an 
> eye to eye    system !!  
> not because curved space !!
> but curved  globe 
> 2
> I indicated that
> even  according to my understanding
> SR  is right !!!
> 
> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> and   i understand  it 
> but not 
> Gr calculations 
> we have to find  out 
> if they use
> GR calculations
> or may be
> just SR calculations 
> and  it is their mistake to mix 
> Sr 
> with GR ??
> we have to ask 
> the  real people 
> who did  it 
> 'with  their hands'' 
> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> Sr with     GR!??
> =================TIA
> Y.P
> ============== 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711055

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-02 12:01 -0700
Message-ID<a557a097-2e33-4c48-86d2-955e7a7a6bbf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#711031
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <y space !!!
> >>>> 
> >>>> space is nothing!!
> >>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> >>>> except length  dimension --
> >>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> >>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
> >>>> for me 
> >>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> >>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> > >>>> needed advance   !! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> >>>> 
>  > >>>> now
> >>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> >>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> >>>> 2
> >>>> my  alternative  claim is that
> >>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> >>>> that
> >>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
> >>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> >>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
> >>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> >>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> >>>> 
> >>>> unprecedented  !!
> >>>> 
> >>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> >>>> Eng
> >>>> Yehiel Porat 
> >>>> 2/11/2018
> >>>> =====================> > now
> >>> 
> >>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> >>> wanted to  cheat us  
> >>> by saying that:
> >>> 
> >>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> >>> 
> >>> so what do you think about it ?
> >>> 
> >>> TIA
> >>> Y.Porat
> >>> 
> >>> ===================> > 
> >> 
>  > > indeed you are better than me in searching 
> > the net 
> > now
> > please note 
> > 
> > the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> > 
> > if space is curved 
> > why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> 
> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
> 
> > 
> > IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> > WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> > EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> 
> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
> 
> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It

==========================
I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 


> doesn’t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> curved spacetime. THAT’S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> 
> > but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> > not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> > that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> > probably
> > with relative short distance straight lines !!
> 
> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth’s surface. The radius of
================
really ??
why 
because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
======
> curvature of spacetime near the earth’s surface is 31 million billion feet.
(:-)
waw   !!it is very impressive 
why not 32 billion feet ???

e earth’s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> ================
it looks as witches on a broom …


> > em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> > they move  in straight lines 
> > and therefore there  is the need of 
> >  an 
> > eye to eye    system !!  
> > not because curved space !!
> > but curved  globe 
> > 2
> > I indicated that
> > even  according to my understanding
> > SR  is right !!!
> > 
> > so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> > and   i understand  it 
> > but not 
> > Gr calculations 
> > we have to find  out 
> > if they use
> > GR calculations
> > or may be
> > just SR calculations 
> > and  it is their mistake to mix 
> > Sr 
> > with GR ??
> > we have to ask 
> > the  real people 
> > who did  it 
> > 'with  their hands'' 
> > and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> > Sr with     GR!??
> > =================TIA
> > Y.P
> > 

now Bod
it is your  turn to listen to me :

and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
1
remember the  Edington experiment 
about curved light near earth :

that is where mistakes started :

1
I was considered that light has  no mass ''
I showed andproved an historic finding that
 PHOTONS  HAS MASS
THEONLY MASS
NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
by analyzing the formula 
E photon-hf   (plank )
if you analyze the dimension of it
you find to  your surprise that 
the photon has mass
AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
AND NOT BY   zERO !!
SO
2

in the Edington experiment 
light was curving not because any f en curved space 
but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
and earth has mass !!
so light is curving  next to earth 

E photon  =hf remember 
the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
and if em waves curve next to earth 
there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
to lead it around   our globe
to be used at any point  on   earth
(look google 
''the real single  photon mass and energy
by Y  Porat
 I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..

so
bottom line  in short
em waves cure around our globe 
not because of f en    curved  'space 
but because Newtonian physics 
that NASA use 
for its interstellar  project 
of sending a human being to mars !!!!
not because of f en curve space 
but because mass is attracting   mass
and if you don't mind 
mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
not curved   space''   
 it will be  in   future in your books
 TIA
Y.Porat
==============

TIA
Y.P
====================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711122

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-02 22:38 +0000
Message-ID<prijlu$2ui$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#711055
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <y space !!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>>>> Eng
>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>>>> =====================> > now
>>>>> 
>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>>>> by saying that:
>>>>> 
>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>>>> 
>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>> 
>>>>> ===================> > 
>>>> 
>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
>>> the net 
>>> now
>>> please note 
>>> 
>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
>>> 
>>> if space is curved 
>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
>> 
>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
>> 
>>> 
>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
>> 
>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
>> 
>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> 
> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 

Your choice. But it’s stupid to criticize something you literally know
nothing about. 

> 
> 
>> doesnt mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
>> curved spacetime. THATS NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
>> 
>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
>>> probably
>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
>> 
>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earths surface. The radius of
> ===============really ??
> why 
> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earths surface is 31 million billion feet.
> (:-)
> waw   !!it is very impressive 
> why not 32 billion feet ???

I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
couldn’t follow it, could you?

> 
> e earths surface is 21 million feet. Do those
>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &

Anything over someone’s head looks like magic to them. 

> 
> 
>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
>>> they move  in straight lines 
>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
>>> an 
>>> eye to eye    system !!  
>>> not because curved space !!
>>> but curved  globe 
>>> 2
>>> I indicated that
>>> even  according to my understanding
>>> SR  is right !!!
>>> 
>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
>>> and   i understand  it 
>>> but not 
>>> Gr calculations 
>>> we have to find  out 
>>> if they use
>>> GR calculations
>>> or may be
>>> just SR calculations 
>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
>>> Sr 
>>> with GR ??
>>> we have to ask 
>>> the  real people 
>>> who did  it 
>>> 'with  their hands'' 
>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
>>> Sr with     GR!??
>>> =================TIA
>>> Y.P
>>> 
> 
> now Bod
> it is your  turn to listen to me :
> 
> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
> 1
> remember the  Edington experiment 
> about curved light near earth :
> 
> that is where mistakes started :
> 
> 1
> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
> I showed andproved an historic finding that
>  PHOTONS  HAS MASS
> THEONLY MASS
> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
> by analyzing the formula 
> E photon-hf   (plank )
> if you analyze the dimension of it
> you find to  your surprise that 
> the photon has mass
> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
> SO
> 2
> 
> in the Edington experiment 
> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
> and earth has mass !!
> so light is curving  next to earth 
> 
> E photon  =hf remember 
> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
> and if em waves curve next to earth 
> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
> to lead it around   our globe
> to be used at any point  on   earth
> (look google 
> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
> by Y  Porat
>  I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
> 
> so
> bottom line  in short
> em waves cure around our globe 
> not because of f en    curved  'space 
> but because Newtonian physics 
> that NASA use 
> for its interstellar  project 
> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
> not because of f en curve space 
> but because mass is attracting   mass
> and if you don't mind 
> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
> not curved   space''   
>  it will be  in   future in your books
>  TIA
> Y.Porat
> =============
> TIA
> Y.P
> ===================



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711148

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-02 17:12 -0700
Message-ID<3ff22056-1667-4b0b-8d0c-6fc90afbd10d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#711122
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> <y space !!!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> space is nothing!!
> >>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> >>>>>> except length  dimension --
> >>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> >>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
> >>>>>> for me 
> >>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> >>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> >>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> now
> >>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> >>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> >>>>>> 2
> >>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
> >>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
> >>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> >>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
> >>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> >>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> unprecedented  !!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> >>>>>> Eng
> >>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
> >>>>>> 2/11/2018
> >>>>>> =====================> > now
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> >>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
> >>>>> by saying that:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> so what do you think about it ?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> TIA
> >>>>> Y.Porat
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ===================> > 
> >>>> 
> >>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
> >>> the net 
> >>> now
> >>> please note 
> >>> 
> >>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> >>> 
> >>> if space is curved 
> >>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> >> 
> >> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> >>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> >>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> >> 
> >> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> >> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
> >> 
> >> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> > 
> > =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
> 
> Your choice. But it’s stupid to criticize something you literally know
> nothing about. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> >> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> >> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> >> 
> >>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> >>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> >>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> >>> probably
> >>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
> >> 
> >> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> >> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
> > ===============really ??
> > why 
> > because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
> > =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
> > (:-)
> > waw   !!it is very impressive 
> > why not 32 billion feet ???
> 
> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
> couldn’t follow it, could you?
> 
> > 
> > e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> >> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> >> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
> 
> Anything over someone’s head looks like magic to them. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> >>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> >>> they move  in straight lines 
> >>> and therefore there  is the need of 
> >>> an 
> >>> eye to eye    system !!  
> >>> not because curved space !!
> >>> but curved  globe 
> >>> 2
> >>> I indicated that
> >>> even  according to my understanding
> >>> SR  is right !!!
> >>> 
> >>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> >>> and   i understand  it 
> >>> but not 
> >>> Gr calculations 
> >>> we have to find  out 
> >>> if they use
> >>> GR calculations
> >>> or may be
> >>> just SR calculations 
> >>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
> >>> Sr 
> >>> with GR ??
> >>> we have to ask 
> >>> the  real people 
> >>> who did  it 
> >>> 'with  their hands'' 
> >>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> >>> Sr with     GR!??
> >>> =================TIA
> >>> Y.P
> >>> 
> > 
> > now Bod
> > it is your  turn to listen to me :
> > 
> > and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
> > 1
> > remember the  Edington experiment 
> > about curved light near earth :
> > 
> > that is where mistakes started :
> > 
> > 1
> > I was considered that light has  no mass ''
> > I showed andproved an historic finding that
> >  PHOTONS  HAS MASS
> > THEONLY MASS
> > NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
> > by analyzing the formula 
> > E photon-hf   (plank )
> > if you analyze the dimension of it
> > you find to  your surprise that 
> > the photon has mass
> > AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
> > NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
> > AND NOT BY   zERO !!
> > SO
> > 2
> > 
> > in the Edington experiment 
> > light was curving not because any f en curved space 
> > but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
> > and earth has mass !!
> > so light is curving  next to earth 
> > 
> > E photon  =hf remember 
> > the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
> > and if em waves curve next to earth 
> > there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
> > to lead it around   our globe
> > to be used at any point  on   earth
> > (look google 
> > ''the real single  photon mass and energy
> > by Y  Porat
> >  I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
> > 
> > so
> > bottom line  in short
> > em waves cure around our globe 
> > not because of f en    curved  'space 
> > but because Newtonian physics 
> > that NASA use 
> > for its interstellar  project 
> > of sending a human being to mars !!!!
> > not because of f en curve space 
> > but because mass is attracting   mass
> > and if you don't mind 
> > mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
> > not curved   space''   
> >  it will be  in   future in your books
> >  TIA
> > Y.Porat
> > =============
> > TIA
> > Y.P
> > ===================
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
===================
dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!

I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
with my own creative  mind !!
so !!
if we think about the 
'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
in the 'Eddington effect'
the light   em beam
is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!

need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and explain what is going  on
with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
and why is it that we need
many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!


TIA
Y.Porat
=======================================
 

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711193

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-02 22:08 -0700
Message-ID<ce5596d5-24e1-4b50-aeef-3109b2e5bee4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#711148
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 2:12:47 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > >> <y space !!!
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> space is nothing!!
> > >>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> > >>>>>> except length  dimension --
> > >>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> > >>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
> > >>>>>> for me 
> > >>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> > >>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> > >>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> now
> > >>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> > >>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> > >>>>>> 2
> > >>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
> > >>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
> > >>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> > >>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
> > >>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> > >>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> unprecedented  !!
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> > >>>>>> Eng
> > >>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
> > >>>>>> 2/11/2018
> > >>>>>> =====================> > now
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> > >>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
> > >>>>> by saying that:
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> so what do you think about it ?
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> TIA
> > >>>>> Y.Porat
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> ===================> > 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
> > >>> the net 
> > >>> now
> > >>> please note 
> > >>> 
> > >>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> > >>> 
> > >>> if space is curved 
> > >>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> > >> 
> > >> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
> > >> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> > >>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> > >>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> > >> 
> > >> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> > >> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
> > >> 
> > >> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> > > 
> > > =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
> > 
> > Your choice. But it’s stupid to criticize something you literally know
> > nothing about. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> > >> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> > >> 
> > >>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> > >>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> > >>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> > >>> probably
> > >>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
> > >> 
> > >> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> > >> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
> > > ===============really ??
> > > why 
> > > because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
> > > =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
> > > (:-)
> > > waw   !!it is very impressive 
> > > why not 32 billion feet ???
> > 
> > I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
> > couldn’t follow it, could you?
> > 
> > > 
> > > e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> > >> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> > >> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
> > 
> > Anything over someone’s head looks like magic to them. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> > >>> they move  in straight lines 
> > >>> and therefore there  is the need of 
> > >>> an 
> > >>> eye to eye    system !!  
> > >>> not because curved space !!
> > >>> but curved  globe 
> > >>> 2
> > >>> I indicated that
> > >>> even  according to my understanding
> > >>> SR  is right !!!
> > >>> 
> > >>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> > >>> and   i understand  it 
> > >>> but not 
> > >>> Gr calculations 
> > >>> we have to find  out 
> > >>> if they use
> > >>> GR calculations
> > >>> or may be
> > >>> just SR calculations 
> > >>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
> > >>> Sr 
> > >>> with GR ??
> > >>> we have to ask 
> > >>> the  real people 
> > >>> who did  it 
> > >>> 'with  their hands'' 
> > >>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> > >>> Sr with     GR!??
> > >>> =================TIA
> > >>> Y.P
> > >>> 
> > > 
> > > now Bod
> > > it is your  turn to listen to me :
> > > 
> > > and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
> > > 1
> > > remember the  Edington experiment 
> > > about curved light near earth :
> > > 
> > > that is where mistakes started :
> > > 
> > > 1
> > > I was considered that light has  no mass ''
> > > I showed andproved an historic finding that
> > >  PHOTONS  HAS MASS
> > > THEONLY MASS
> > > NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
> > > by analyzing the formula 
> > > E photon-hf   (plank )
> > > if you analyze the dimension of it
> > > you find to  your surprise that 
> > > the photon has mass
> > > AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
> > > NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
> > > AND NOT BY   zERO !!
> > > SO
> > > 2
> > > 
> > > in the Edington experiment 
> > > light was curving not because any f en curved space 
> > > but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
> > > and earth has mass !!
> > > so light is curving  next to earth 
> > > 
> > > E photon  =hf remember 
> > > the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
> > > and if em waves curve next to earth 
> > > there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
> > > to lead it around   our globe
> > > to be used at any point  on   earth
> > > (look google 
> > > ''the real single  photon mass and energy
> > > by Y  Porat
> > >  I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
> > > 
> > > so
> > > bottom line  in short
> > > em waves cure around our globe 
> > > not because of f en    curved  'space 
> > > but because Newtonian physics 
> > > that NASA use 
> > > for its interstellar  project 
> > > of sending a human being to mars !!!!
> > > not because of f en curve space 
> > > but because mass is attracting   mass
> > > and if you don't mind 
> > > mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
> > > not curved   space''   
> > >  it will be  in   future in your books
> > >  TIA
> > > Y.Porat
> > > =============
> > > TIA
> > > Y.P
> > > ===================
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> ===================
> dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
> 
> I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
> I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
> with my own creative  mind !!
> so !!
> if we think about the 
> 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
> in the 'Eddington effect'
> the light   em beam
> is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
> but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
> 
> need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
> may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and explain what is going  on
> with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
> and why is it that we need
> many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
> 
> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> =======================================
while it is to hard    to Bodkin anonymous 
he is fading away 
that who he was last 30 years …
and now you understand why he is keeping
anonymous ….
next !!!!
to decent non   parroting cleaver decent  people !!

no  curvature and no schmervature of   space !!
==================
Y.Porat
==========================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711216

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-03 13:28 +0000
Message-ID<prk7pv$cmv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#711148
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <y space !!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>>>>>> Eng
>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>>>>>> by saying that:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ===================> > 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
>>>>> the net 
>>>>> now
>>>>> please note 
>>>>> 
>>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
>>>>> 
>>>>> if space is curved 
>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
>>>> 
>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
>>>> 
>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
>>>> 
>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
>>> 
>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
>> 
>> Your choice. But its stupid to criticize something you literally know
>> nothing about. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
>>>> 
>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
>>>>> probably
>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
>>>> 
>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
>>> ===============really ??
>>> why 
>>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
>>> (:-)
>>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
>>> why not 32 billion feet ???
>> 
>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
>> couldnt follow it, could you?
>> 
>>> 
>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
>> 
>> Anything over someones head looks like magic to them. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
>>>>> they move  in straight lines 
>>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
>>>>> an 
>>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
>>>>> not because curved space !!
>>>>> but curved  globe 
>>>>> 2
>>>>> I indicated that
>>>>> even  according to my understanding
>>>>> SR  is right !!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
>>>>> and   i understand  it 
>>>>> but not 
>>>>> Gr calculations 
>>>>> we have to find  out 
>>>>> if they use
>>>>> GR calculations
>>>>> or may be
>>>>> just SR calculations 
>>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
>>>>> Sr 
>>>>> with GR ??
>>>>> we have to ask 
>>>>> the  real people 
>>>>> who did  it 
>>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
>>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
>>>>> Sr with     GR!??
>>>>> =================TIA
>>>>> Y.P
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> now Bod
>>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
>>> 
>>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
>>> 1
>>> remember the  Edington experiment 
>>> about curved light near earth :
>>> 
>>> that is where mistakes started :
>>> 
>>> 1
>>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
>>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
>>> THEONLY MASS
>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
>>> by analyzing the formula 
>>> E photon-hf   (plank )
>>> if you analyze the dimension of it
>>> you find to  your surprise that 
>>> the photon has mass
>>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
>>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
>>> SO
>>> 2
>>> 
>>> in the Edington experiment 
>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
>>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
>>> and earth has mass !!
>>> so light is curving  next to earth 
>>> 
>>> E photon  =hf remember 
>>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
>>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
>>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
>>> to lead it around   our globe
>>> to be used at any point  on   earth
>>> (look google 
>>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
>>> by Y  Porat
>>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
>>> 
>>> so
>>> bottom line  in short
>>> em waves cure around our globe 
>>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
>>> but because Newtonian physics 
>>> that NASA use 
>>> for its interstellar  project 
>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
>>> not because of f en curve space 
>>> but because mass is attracting   mass
>>> and if you don't mind 
>>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
>>> not curved   space''   
>>> it will be  in   future in your books
>>> TIA
>>> Y.Porat
>>> ============> > TIA
>>> Y.P
>>> ==================> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin  Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
> 
> I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
> I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
> with my own creative  mind !!

It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 

You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
that is a virtue. 

> so !!
> if we think about the 
> 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
> in the 'Eddington effect'
> the light   em beam
> is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
> but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!

Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 

> 
> need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
> may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
> explain what is going  on
> with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
> and why is it that we need
> many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!

That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
up, with your “creative” mind. 

> 
> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ====================================== 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711224

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-03 07:30 -0700
Message-ID<3fe7743c-c58c-46a8-b039-c3f2ccd0fef3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#711216
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> <y space !!!
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
> >>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> >>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
> >>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> >>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
> >>>>>>>> for me 
> >>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> >>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> >>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> >>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> >>>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
> >>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
> >>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> >>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
> >>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> >>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> >>>>>>>> Eng
> >>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
> >>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
> >>>>>>>> =====================> > now
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> >>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
> >>>>>>> by saying that:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> TIA
> >>>>>>> Y.Porat
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> ===================> > 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
> >>>>> the net 
> >>>>> now
> >>>>> please note 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> if space is curved 
> >>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> >>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> >>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> >>>> 
> >>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> >>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> >>> 
> >>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
> >> 
> >> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know
> >> nothing about. 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> >>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> >>>> 
> >>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> >>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> >>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> >>>>> probably
> >>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> >>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
> >>> ===============really ??
> >>> why 
> >>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
> >>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
> >>> (:-)
> >>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
> >>> why not 32 billion feet ???
> >> 
> >> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
> >> couldn t follow it, could you?
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> >>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> >>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
> >> 
> >> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> >>>>> they move  in straight lines 
> >>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
> >>>>> an 
> >>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
> >>>>> not because curved space !!
> >>>>> but curved  globe 
> >>>>> 2
> >>>>> I indicated that
> >>>>> even  according to my understanding
> >>>>> SR  is right !!!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> >>>>> and   i understand  it 
> >>>>> but not 
> >>>>> Gr calculations 
> >>>>> we have to find  out 
> >>>>> if they use
> >>>>> GR calculations
> >>>>> or may be
> >>>>> just SR calculations 
> >>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
> >>>>> Sr 
> >>>>> with GR ??
> >>>>> we have to ask 
> >>>>> the  real people 
> >>>>> who did  it 
> >>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
> >>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> >>>>> Sr with     GR!??
> >>>>> =================TIA
> >>>>> Y.P
> >>>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> now Bod
> >>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
> >>> 
> >>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
> >>> 1
> >>> remember the  Edington experiment 
> >>> about curved light near earth :
> >>> 
> >>> that is where mistakes started :
> >>> 
> >>> 1
> >>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
> >>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
> >>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
> >>> THEONLY MASS
> >>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
> >>> by analyzing the formula 
> >>> E photon-hf   (plank )
> >>> if you analyze the dimension of it
> >>> you find to  your surprise that 
> >>> the photon has mass
> >>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
> >>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
> >>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
> >>> SO
> >>> 2
> >>> 
> >>> in the Edington experiment 
> >>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
> >>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
> >>> and earth has mass !!
> >>> so light is curving  next to earth 
> >>> 
> >>> E photon  =hf remember 
> >>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
> >>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
> >>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
> >>> to lead it around   our globe
> >>> to be used at any point  on   earth
> >>> (look google 
> >>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
> >>> by Y  Porat
> >>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
> >>> 
> >>> so
> >>> bottom line  in short
> >>> em waves cure around our globe 
> >>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
> >>> but because Newtonian physics 
> >>> that NASA use 
> >>> for its interstellar  project 
> >>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
> >>> not because of f en curve space 
> >>> but because mass is attracting   mass
> >>> and if you don't mind 
> >>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
> >>> not curved   space''   
> >>> it will be  in   future in your books
> >>> TIA
> >>> Y.Porat
> >>> ============> > TIA
> >>> Y.P
> >>> ==================> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
> > 
> > I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
> > I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
> > with my own creative  mind !!
> 
> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 
> 
> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
> that is a virtue. 
> 
> > so !!
> > if we think about the 
> > 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
> > in the 'Eddington effect'
> > the light   em beam
> > is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
> > but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
> > to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
> 
> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 


====
show those  calculations
and don't  hand wave !!


> 
> > 
> > need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
> > may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
> > explain what is going  on
> > with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
> > and why is it that we need
> > many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
> > to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
> 
> That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
> up, with your “creative” mind.

====
I showed    yo   parrot that even  theortically  
 and experimentally  
the Edington  em wavs were only partially curving 
around globe 
but di t go on  curving the globe 
because  

your f en  curved space 
did not exist 
all aground  our globe !!

and that partial deviation 
we had 
was because ordinary local interaction 
between  
mass of earth and   mass of PHOTON !!!
and in that beeam  going on
it dint find your   f en   curved space 

AND THEREFORE 
CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE  !!!!
got it idiot
why  went  on    straight line 
while your f en curved   space 
is ''said to   exist ''
all  around our globe !!!
is does not saied to '' exist ''    ***only*t the above  that specific location 
but  '''all  around   our globe !!
and I did not occur  in practice !!

got it parrot 

TIA
Y.P
=============================
 

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711228

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-03 14:43 +0000
Message-ID<prkc7c$k5o$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#711224
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> <y space !!!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>>>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>>>>>>>> Eng
>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>>>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>>>>>>>> by saying that:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ===================> > 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
>>>>>>> the net 
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>> please note 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> if space is curved 
>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
>>>>> 
>>>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
>>>> 
>>>> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know
>>>> nothing about. 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
>>>>> ===============really ??
>>>>> why 
>>>>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
>>>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
>>>>> (:-)
>>>>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
>>>>> why not 32 billion feet ???
>>>> 
>>>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
>>>> couldn t follow it, could you?
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
>>>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
>>>> 
>>>> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
>>>>>>> they move  in straight lines 
>>>>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
>>>>>>> an 
>>>>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
>>>>>>> not because curved space !!
>>>>>>> but curved  globe 
>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> I indicated that
>>>>>>> even  according to my understanding
>>>>>>> SR  is right !!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
>>>>>>> and   i understand  it 
>>>>>>> but not 
>>>>>>> Gr calculations 
>>>>>>> we have to find  out 
>>>>>>> if they use
>>>>>>> GR calculations
>>>>>>> or may be
>>>>>>> just SR calculations 
>>>>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
>>>>>>> Sr 
>>>>>>> with GR ??
>>>>>>> we have to ask 
>>>>>>> the  real people 
>>>>>>> who did  it 
>>>>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
>>>>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
>>>>>>> Sr with     GR!??
>>>>>>> =================TIA
>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> now Bod
>>>>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
>>>>> 
>>>>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
>>>>> 1
>>>>> remember the  Edington experiment 
>>>>> about curved light near earth :
>>>>> 
>>>>> that is where mistakes started :
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1
>>>>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
>>>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
>>>>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
>>>>> THEONLY MASS
>>>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
>>>>> by analyzing the formula 
>>>>> E photon-hf   (plank )
>>>>> if you analyze the dimension of it
>>>>> you find to  your surprise that 
>>>>> the photon has mass
>>>>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
>>>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
>>>>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
>>>>> SO
>>>>> 2
>>>>> 
>>>>> in the Edington experiment 
>>>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
>>>>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
>>>>> and earth has mass !!
>>>>> so light is curving  next to earth 
>>>>> 
>>>>> E photon  =hf remember 
>>>>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
>>>>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
>>>>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
>>>>> to lead it around   our globe
>>>>> to be used at any point  on   earth
>>>>> (look google 
>>>>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
>>>>> by Y  Porat
>>>>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
>>>>> 
>>>>> so
>>>>> bottom line  in short
>>>>> em waves cure around our globe 
>>>>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
>>>>> but because Newtonian physics 
>>>>> that NASA use 
>>>>> for its interstellar  project 
>>>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
>>>>> not because of f en curve space 
>>>>> but because mass is attracting   mass
>>>>> and if you don't mind 
>>>>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
>>>>> not curved   space''   
>>>>> it will be  in   future in your books
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>> ============> > TIA
>>>>> Y.P
>>>>> ==================> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
>>> 
>>> I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
>>> I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
>>> with my own creative  mind !!
>> 
>> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
>> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 
>> 
>> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
>> that is a virtue. 
>> 
>>> so !!
>>> if we think about the 
>>> 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
>>> in the 'Eddington effect'
>>> the light   em beam
>>> is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
>>> but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
>>> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
>> 
>> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 
> 
> 
> ====
> show those  calculations
> and don't  hand wave !!

I did! You couldn’t follow them? Remember the sagitta? The chord? The
radius of curvature and the relation between them?

If you don’t remember what I told you just two days ago, then you mind has
rotted past pointlessness. 

> 
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
>>> may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
>>> explain what is going  on
>>> with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
>>> and why is it that we need
>>> many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
>>> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
>> 
>> That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
>> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
>> up, with your “creative” mind.
> 
> ====
> I showed    yo   parrot that even  theortically  
>  and experimentally  
> the Edington  em wavs were only partially curving 
> around globe 
> but di t go on  curving the globe 
> because  

No one expects it to! Curved space does not mean that objects follow the
curve of that space to follow the curve of the surface!! The two curves
have nothing to do with each other. Nothing! Shake the bad idea from your
head! It’s flat wrong! 

Read what the theory actually says rather than making up bullshit about it.


> 
> your f en  curved space 
> did not exist 
> all aground  our globe !!
> 
> and that partial deviation 
> we had 
> was because ordinary local interaction 
> between  
> mass of earth and   mass of PHOTON !!!
> and in that beeam  going on
> it dint find your   f en   curved space 
> 
> AND THEREFORE 
> CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE  !!!!
> got it idiot
> why  went  on    straight line 
> while your f en curved   space 
> is ''said to   exist ''
> all  around our globe !!!
> is does not saied to '' exist ''    ***only*t the above  that specific location 
> but  '''all  around   our globe !!
> and I did not occur  in practice !!
> 
> got it parrot 
> 
> TIA
> Y.P
> =============================
>  
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711257

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-03 11:07 -0700
Message-ID<45fe53a0-7eb5-4530-b589-76ed42b1ce34@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#711228
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:44:00 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> <y space !!!
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
> >>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> >>>>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
> >>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> >>>>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
> >>>>>>>>>> for me 
> >>>>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> >>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> >>>>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> >>>>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> >>>>>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
> >>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
> >>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> >>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
> >>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> >>>>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> >>>>>>>>>> Eng
> >>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
> >>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
> >>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> >>>>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
> >>>>>>>>> by saying that:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> TIA
> >>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> ===================> > 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
> >>>>>>> the net 
> >>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>> please note 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> if space is curved 
> >>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> >>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> >>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> >>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know
> >>>> nothing about. 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> >>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> >>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> >>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> >>>>>>> probably
> >>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> >>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
> >>>>> ===============really ??
> >>>>> why 
> >>>>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
> >>>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
> >>>>> (:-)
> >>>>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
> >>>>> why not 32 billion feet ???
> >>>> 
> >>>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
> >>>> couldn t follow it, could you?
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> >>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> >>>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
> >>>> 
> >>>> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> >>>>>>> they move  in straight lines 
> >>>>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
> >>>>>>> an 
> >>>>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
> >>>>>>> not because curved space !!
> >>>>>>> but curved  globe 
> >>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>> I indicated that
> >>>>>>> even  according to my understanding
> >>>>>>> SR  is right !!!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> >>>>>>> and   i understand  it 
> >>>>>>> but not 
> >>>>>>> Gr calculations 
> >>>>>>> we have to find  out 
> >>>>>>> if they use
> >>>>>>> GR calculations
> >>>>>>> or may be
> >>>>>>> just SR calculations 
> >>>>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
> >>>>>>> Sr 
> >>>>>>> with GR ??
> >>>>>>> we have to ask 
> >>>>>>> the  real people 
> >>>>>>> who did  it 
> >>>>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
> >>>>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> >>>>>>> Sr with     GR!??
> >>>>>>> =================TIA
> >>>>>>> Y.P
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> now Bod
> >>>>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
> >>>>> 1
> >>>>> remember the  Edington experiment 
> >>>>> about curved light near earth :
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> that is where mistakes started :
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 1
> >>>>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
> >>>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
> >>>>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
> >>>>> THEONLY MASS
> >>>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
> >>>>> by analyzing the formula 
> >>>>> E photon-hf   (plank )
> >>>>> if you analyze the dimension of it
> >>>>> you find to  your surprise that 
> >>>>> the photon has mass
> >>>>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
> >>>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
> >>>>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
> >>>>> SO
> >>>>> 2
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> in the Edington experiment 
> >>>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
> >>>>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
> >>>>> and earth has mass !!
> >>>>> so light is curving  next to earth 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> E photon  =hf remember 
> >>>>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
> >>>>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
> >>>>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
> >>>>> to lead it around   our globe
> >>>>> to be used at any point  on   earth
> >>>>> (look google 
> >>>>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
> >>>>> by Y  Porat
> >>>>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> so
> >>>>> bottom line  in short
> >>>>> em waves cure around our globe 
> >>>>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
> >>>>> but because Newtonian physics 
> >>>>> that NASA use 
> >>>>> for its interstellar  project 
> >>>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
> >>>>> not because of f en curve space 
> >>>>> but because mass is attracting   mass
> >>>>> and if you don't mind 
> >>>>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
> >>>>> not curved   space''   
> >>>>> it will be  in   future in your books
> >>>>> TIA
> >>>>> Y.Porat
> >>>>> ============> > TIA
> >>>>> Y.P
> >>>>> ==================> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>> ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
> >>> 
> >>> I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
> >>> I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
> >>> with my own creative  mind !!
> >> 
> >> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
> >> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 
> >> 
> >> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
> >> that is a virtue. 
> >> 
> >>> so !!
> >>> if we think about the 
> >>> 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
> >>> in the 'Eddington effect'
> >>> the light   em beam
> >>> is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
> >>> but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
> >>> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
> >> 
> >> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 
> > 
> > 
> > ====
> > show those  calculations
> > and don't  hand wave !!
> 
> I did! You couldn’t follow them? Remember the sagitta? The chord? The
> radius of curvature and the relation between them?
> 
> If you don’t remember what I told you just two days ago, then you mind has
> rotted past pointlessness. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
> >>> may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
> >>> explain what is going  on
> >>> with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
> >>> and why is it that we need
> >>> many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
> >>> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
> >> 
> >> That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
> >> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
> >> up, with your “creative” mind.
> > 
> > ====
> > I showed    yo   parrot that even  theortically  
> >  and experimentally  
> > the Edington  em wavs were only partially curving 
> > around globe 
> > but di t go on  curving the globe 
> > because  
> 
> No one expects it to! Curved space does not mean that objects follow the
> curve of that space to follow the curve of the surface!! The two curves
> have nothing to do with each other. Nothing! Shake the bad idea from your
> head! It’s flat wrong! 
> 
> Read what the theory actually says rather than making up bullshit about it.
=
===================
since you are such a great expert of curved  space 
please tell us 
how that curved space will  look  like 
 all   around the   masses involved  in  the
Edington   experiment ??

TIA
Y.Porat
===========================
> 
> 
> > 
> > your f en  curved space 
> > did not exist 
> > all aground  our globe !!
> > 
> > and that partial deviation 
> > we had 
> > was because ordinary local interaction 
> > between  
> > mass of earth and   mass of PHOTON !!!
> > and in that beeam  going on
> > it dint find your   f en   curved space 
> > 
> > AND THEREFORE 
> > CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE  !!!!
> >  > -- 
> 

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711259

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-03 18:09 +0000
Message-ID<prko7s$18lr$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#711257
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:44:00 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> <y space !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>>>>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>>>>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
>>>>>>>>> the net 
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> please note 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> if space is curved 
>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know
>>>>>> nothing about. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
>>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
>>>>>>> ===============really ??
>>>>>>> why 
>>>>>>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
>>>>>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
>>>>>>> (:-)
>>>>>>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
>>>>>>> why not 32 billion feet ???
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
>>>>>> couldn t follow it, could you?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
>>>>>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
>>>>>>>>> they move  in straight lines 
>>>>>>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
>>>>>>>>> an 
>>>>>>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !!
>>>>>>>>> but curved  globe 
>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>> I indicated that
>>>>>>>>> even  according to my understanding
>>>>>>>>> SR  is right !!!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
>>>>>>>>> and   i understand  it 
>>>>>>>>> but not 
>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations 
>>>>>>>>> we have to find  out 
>>>>>>>>> if they use
>>>>>>>>> GR calculations
>>>>>>>>> or may be
>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations 
>>>>>>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
>>>>>>>>> Sr 
>>>>>>>>> with GR ??
>>>>>>>>> we have to ask 
>>>>>>>>> the  real people 
>>>>>>>>> who did  it 
>>>>>>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
>>>>>>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
>>>>>>>>> Sr with     GR!??
>>>>>>>>> =================TIA
>>>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> now Bod
>>>>>>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> remember the  Edington experiment 
>>>>>>> about curved light near earth :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> that is where mistakes started :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
>>>>>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
>>>>>>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
>>>>>>> THEONLY MASS
>>>>>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
>>>>>>> by analyzing the formula 
>>>>>>> E photon-hf   (plank )
>>>>>>> if you analyze the dimension of it
>>>>>>> you find to  your surprise that 
>>>>>>> the photon has mass
>>>>>>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
>>>>>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
>>>>>>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
>>>>>>> SO
>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> in the Edington experiment 
>>>>>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
>>>>>>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
>>>>>>> and earth has mass !!
>>>>>>> so light is curving  next to earth 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> E photon  =hf remember 
>>>>>>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
>>>>>>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
>>>>>>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
>>>>>>> to lead it around   our globe
>>>>>>> to be used at any point  on   earth
>>>>>>> (look google 
>>>>>>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
>>>>>>> by Y  Porat
>>>>>>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> bottom line  in short
>>>>>>> em waves cure around our globe 
>>>>>>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
>>>>>>> but because Newtonian physics 
>>>>>>> that NASA use 
>>>>>>> for its interstellar  project 
>>>>>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
>>>>>>> not because of f en curve space 
>>>>>>> but because mass is attracting   mass
>>>>>>> and if you don't mind 
>>>>>>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
>>>>>>> not curved   space''   
>>>>>>> it will be  in   future in your books
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>> ============> > TIA
>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>> ==================> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>> ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
>>>>> I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
>>>>> with my own creative  mind !!
>>>> 
>>>> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
>>>> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 
>>>> 
>>>> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
>>>> that is a virtue. 
>>>> 
>>>>> so !!
>>>>> if we think about the 
>>>>> 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
>>>>> in the 'Eddington effect'
>>>>> the light   em beam
>>>>> is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
>>>>> but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
>>>>> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ====
>>> show those  calculations
>>> and don't  hand wave !!
>> 
>> I did! You couldn’t follow them? Remember the sagitta? The chord? The
>> radius of curvature and the relation between them?
>> 
>> If you don’t remember what I told you just two days ago, then you mind has
>> rotted past pointlessness. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
>>>>> may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
>>>>> explain what is going  on
>>>>> with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
>>>>> and why is it that we need
>>>>> many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
>>>>> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
>>>> 
>>>> That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
>>>> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
>>>> up, with your “creative” mind.
>>> 
>>> ====
>>> I showed    yo   parrot that even  theortically  
>>> and experimentally  
>>> the Edington  em wavs were only partially curving 
>>> around globe 
>>> but di t go on  curving the globe 
>>> because  
>> 
>> No one expects it to! Curved space does not mean that objects follow the
>> curve of that space to follow the curve of the surface!! The two curves
>> have nothing to do with each other. Nothing! Shake the bad idea from your
>> head! It’s flat wrong! 
>> 
>> Read what the theory actually says rather than making up bullshit about it.
> =
> ===================
> since you are such a great expert of curved  space 
> please tell us 
> how that curved space will  look  like 
>  all   around the   masses involved  in  the
> Edington   experiment ??

I showed you how to do the calculation at the surface of the earth. Follow
the same thing but use the mass and radius of the sun instead. Go ahead.
It’s not hard. 

> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ===========================
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> your f en  curved space 
>>> did not exist 
>>> all aground  our globe !!
>>> 
>>> and that partial deviation 
>>> we had 
>>> was because ordinary local interaction 
>>> between  
>>> mass of earth and   mass of PHOTON !!!
>>> and in that beeam  going on
>>> it dint find your   f en   curved space 
>>> 
>>> AND THEREFORE 
>>> CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE  !!!!
>>>> -- 
>> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711488

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-04 18:45 +0000
Message-ID<prneo9$1c9l$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#711259
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:44:00 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <y space !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>>>>>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
>>>>>>>>>> the net 
>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>> please note 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites
>>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> if space is curved 
>>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
>>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
>>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
>>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know
>>>>>>> nothing about. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
>>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
>>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
>>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
>>>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
>>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
>>>>>>>> ===============really ??
>>>>>>>> why 
>>>>>>>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
>>>>>>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
>>>>>>>> (:-)
>>>>>>>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
>>>>>>>> why not 32 billion feet ???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
>>>>>>> couldn t follow it, could you?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
>>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
>>>>>>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
>>>>>>>>>> they move  in straight lines 
>>>>>>>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
>>>>>>>>>> an 
>>>>>>>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
>>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !!
>>>>>>>>>> but curved  globe 
>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>> I indicated that
>>>>>>>>>> even  according to my understanding
>>>>>>>>>> SR  is right !!!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
>>>>>>>>>> and   i understand  it 
>>>>>>>>>> but not 
>>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations 
>>>>>>>>>> we have to find  out 
>>>>>>>>>> if they use
>>>>>>>>>> GR calculations
>>>>>>>>>> or may be
>>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations 
>>>>>>>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
>>>>>>>>>> Sr 
>>>>>>>>>> with GR ??
>>>>>>>>>> we have to ask 
>>>>>>>>>> the  real people 
>>>>>>>>>> who did  it 
>>>>>>>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
>>>>>>>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
>>>>>>>>>> Sr with     GR!??
>>>>>>>>>> =================TIA
>>>>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> now Bod
>>>>>>>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>> remember the  Edington experiment 
>>>>>>>> about curved light near earth :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> that is where mistakes started :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
>>>>>>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
>>>>>>>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
>>>>>>>> THEONLY MASS
>>>>>>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
>>>>>>>> by analyzing the formula 
>>>>>>>> E photon-hf   (plank )
>>>>>>>> if you analyze the dimension of it
>>>>>>>> you find to  your surprise that 
>>>>>>>> the photon has mass
>>>>>>>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
>>>>>>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
>>>>>>>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
>>>>>>>> SO
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> in the Edington experiment 
>>>>>>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
>>>>>>>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
>>>>>>>> and earth has mass !!
>>>>>>>> so light is curving  next to earth 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> E photon  =hf remember 
>>>>>>>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
>>>>>>>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
>>>>>>>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
>>>>>>>> to lead it around   our globe
>>>>>>>> to be used at any point  on   earth
>>>>>>>> (look google 
>>>>>>>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
>>>>>>>> by Y  Porat
>>>>>>>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> bottom line  in short
>>>>>>>> em waves cure around our globe 
>>>>>>>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
>>>>>>>> but because Newtonian physics 
>>>>>>>> that NASA use 
>>>>>>>> for its interstellar  project 
>>>>>>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
>>>>>>>> not because of f en curve space 
>>>>>>>> but because mass is attracting   mass
>>>>>>>> and if you don't mind 
>>>>>>>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
>>>>>>>> not curved   space''   
>>>>>>>> it will be  in   future in your books
>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>>> ============> > TIA
>>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>>> ==================> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>> ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
>>>>>> I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
>>>>>> with my own creative  mind !!
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
>>>>> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
>>>>> that is a virtue. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> so !!
>>>>>> if we think about the 
>>>>>> 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
>>>>>> in the 'Eddington effect'
>>>>>> the light   em beam
>>>>>> is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
>>>>>> but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
>>>>>> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ====
>>>> show those  calculations
>>>> and don't  hand wave !!
>>> 
>>> I did! You couldn’t follow them? Remember the sagitta? The chord? The
>>> radius of curvature and the relation between them?
>>> 
>>> If you don’t remember what I told you just two days ago, then you mind has
>>> rotted past pointlessness. 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
>>>>>> may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
>>>>>> explain what is going  on
>>>>>> with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
>>>>>> and why is it that we need
>>>>>> many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
>>>>>> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
>>>>> 
>>>>> That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
>>>>> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
>>>>> up, with your “creative” mind.
>>>> 
>>>> ====
>>>> I showed    yo   parrot that even  theortically  
>>>> and experimentally  
>>>> the Edington  em wavs were only partially curving 
>>>> around globe 
>>>> but di t go on  curving the globe 
>>>> because  
>>> 
>>> No one expects it to! Curved space does not mean that objects follow the
>>> curve of that space to follow the curve of the surface!! The two curves
>>> have nothing to do with each other. Nothing! Shake the bad idea from your
>>> head! It’s flat wrong! 
>>> 
>>> Read what the theory actually says rather than making up bullshit about it.
>> =
>> ===================
>> since you are such a great expert of curved  space 
>> please tell us 
>> how that curved space will  look  like 
>> all   around the   masses involved  in  the
>> Edington   experiment ??
> 
> I showed you how to do the calculation at the surface of the earth. Follow
> the same thing but use the mass and radius of the sun instead. Go ahead.
> It’s not hard. 

Silence from Porat. 

Or rather, a quick change of subject. 

> 
>> 
>> TIA
>> Y.Porat
>> ===========================
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> your f en  curved space 
>>>> did not exist 
>>>> all aground  our globe !!
>>>> 
>>>> and that partial deviation 
>>>> we had 
>>>> was because ordinary local interaction 
>>>> between  
>>>> mass of earth and   mass of PHOTON !!!
>>>> and in that beeam  going on
>>>> it dint find your   f en   curved space 
>>>> 
>>>> AND THEREFORE 
>>>> CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE  !!!!
>>>>> -- 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711617

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-05 02:59 -0800
Message-ID<830b8b00-fb2e-4846-9c3c-8ef7ff19f109@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#711488
On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 8:45:34 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:44:00 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> <y space !!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eng
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
> >>>>>>>>>>>> by saying that:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> TIA
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > 
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
> >>>>>>>>>> the net 
> >>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>> please note 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites
> >>>>>>>>>> SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> if space is curved 
> >>>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> >>>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> >>>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> >>>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know
> >>>>>>> nothing about. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> >>>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> >>>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> >>>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> >>>>>>>>>> probably
> >>>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> >>>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
> >>>>>>>> ===============really ??
> >>>>>>>> why 
> >>>>>>>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
> >>>>>>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
> >>>>>>>> (:-)
> >>>>>>>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
> >>>>>>>> why not 32 billion feet ???
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
> >>>>>>> couldn t follow it, could you?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> >>>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> >>>>>>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> >>>>>>>>>> they move  in straight lines 
> >>>>>>>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
> >>>>>>>>>> an 
> >>>>>>>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
> >>>>>>>>>> not because curved space !!
> >>>>>>>>>> but curved  globe 
> >>>>>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>>>>> I indicated that
> >>>>>>>>>> even  according to my understanding
> >>>>>>>>>> SR  is right !!!
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> >>>>>>>>>> and   i understand  it 
> >>>>>>>>>> but not 
> >>>>>>>>>> Gr calculations 
> >>>>>>>>>> we have to find  out 
> >>>>>>>>>> if they use
> >>>>>>>>>> GR calculations
> >>>>>>>>>> or may be
> >>>>>>>>>> just SR calculations 
> >>>>>>>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
> >>>>>>>>>> Sr 
> >>>>>>>>>> with GR ??
> >>>>>>>>>> we have to ask 
> >>>>>>>>>> the  real people 
> >>>>>>>>>> who did  it 
> >>>>>>>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
> >>>>>>>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> >>>>>>>>>> Sr with     GR!??
> >>>>>>>>>> =================TIA
> >>>>>>>>>> Y.P
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> now Bod
> >>>>>>>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
> >>>>>>>> 1
> >>>>>>>> remember the  Edington experiment 
> >>>>>>>> about curved light near earth :
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> that is where mistakes started :
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 1
> >>>>>>>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
> >>>>>>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
> >>>>>>>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
> >>>>>>>> THEONLY MASS
> >>>>>>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
> >>>>>>>> by analyzing the formula 
> >>>>>>>> E photon-hf   (plank )
> >>>>>>>> if you analyze the dimension of it
> >>>>>>>> you find to  your surprise that 
> >>>>>>>> the photon has mass
> >>>>>>>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
> >>>>>>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
> >>>>>>>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
> >>>>>>>> SO
> >>>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> in the Edington experiment 
> >>>>>>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
> >>>>>>>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
> >>>>>>>> and earth has mass !!
> >>>>>>>> so light is curving  next to earth 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> E photon  =hf remember 
> >>>>>>>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
> >>>>>>>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
> >>>>>>>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
> >>>>>>>> to lead it around   our globe
> >>>>>>>> to be used at any point  on   earth
> >>>>>>>> (look google 
> >>>>>>>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
> >>>>>>>> by Y  Porat
> >>>>>>>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>>> bottom line  in short
> >>>>>>>> em waves cure around our globe 
> >>>>>>>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
> >>>>>>>> but because Newtonian physics 
> >>>>>>>> that NASA use 
> >>>>>>>> for its interstellar  project 
> >>>>>>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
> >>>>>>>> not because of f en curve space 
> >>>>>>>> but because mass is attracting   mass
> >>>>>>>> and if you don't mind 
> >>>>>>>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
> >>>>>>>> not curved   space''   
> >>>>>>>> it will be  in   future in your books
> >>>>>>>> TIA
> >>>>>>>> Y.Porat
> >>>>>>>> ============> > TIA
> >>>>>>>> Y.P
> >>>>>>>> ==================> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>>> ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
> >>>>>> I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
> >>>>>> with my own creative  mind !!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
> >>>>> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
> >>>>> that is a virtue. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> so !!
> >>>>>> if we think about the 
> >>>>>> 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
> >>>>>> in the 'Eddington effect'
> >>>>>> the light   em beam
> >>>>>> is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
> >>>>>> but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
> >>>>>> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> ====
> >>>> show those  calculations
> >>>> and don't  hand wave !!
> >>> 
> >>> I did! You couldn’t follow them? Remember the sagitta? The chord? The
> >>> radius of curvature and the relation between them?
> >>> 
> >>> If you don’t remember what I told you just two days ago, then you mind has
> >>> rotted past pointlessness. 
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
> >>>>>> may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
> >>>>>> explain what is going  on
> >>>>>> with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
> >>>>>> and why is it that we need
> >>>>>> many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
> >>>>>> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
> >>>>> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
> >>>>> up, with your “creative” mind.
> >>>> 
> >>>> ====
> >>>> I showed    yo   parrot that even  theortically  
> >>>> and experimentally  
> >>>> the Edington  em wavs were only partially curving 
> >>>> around globe 
> >>>> but di t go on  curving the globe 
> >>>> because  
> >>> 
> >>> No one expects it to! Curved space does not mean that objects follow the
> >>> curve of that space to follow the curve of the surface!! The two curves
> >>> have nothing to do with each other. Nothing!


====================================
all I say is that
em waves move in straight   line (unless )/
only if mass  is   next to it 
and then that /some mass   is diverting/curving    the path of em movement  
   
if you like 
==curving that path of em 
 that does not happen without action  of mass on them

iow
no mass-- no curved movement  of em waves 
or even of another  mass 
and 
    even  not by 
f en 'curved space''
curved space  is only    in the imagination  of Einstein  & co 

==============
TIA
Y.P
===========================

 
   s

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711622

FromRick Jones <RJones1993@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-05 06:17 -0800
Message-ID<prpjeh$r97$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#711617
Learn English idiot

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711232

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-03 08:00 -0700
Message-ID<38bed60b-e44e-4cac-a5af-45f26753ad60@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#711224
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:30:46 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > >>>> <y space !!!
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
> > >>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> > >>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
> > >>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> > >>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
> > >>>>>>>> for me 
> > >>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> > >>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> > >>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> now
> > >>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> > >>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> > >>>>>>>> 2
> > >>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
> > >>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> > >>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
> > >>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> > >>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
> > >>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> > >>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> > >>>>>>>> Eng
> > >>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
> > >>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
> > >>>>>>>> =====================> > now
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> > >>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
> > >>>>>>> by saying that:
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> TIA
> > >>>>>>> Y.Porat
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> ===================> > 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
> > >>>>> the net 
> > >>>>> now
> > >>>>> please note 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> if space is curved 
> > >>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> > >>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> > >>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> > >>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> > >>> 
> > >>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 
> > >> 
> > >> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know
> > >> nothing about. 
> > >> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> > >>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> > >>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> > >>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> > >>>>> probably
> > >>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> > >>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
> > >>> ===============really ??
> > >>> why 
> > >>> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
> > >>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
> > >>> (:-)
> > >>> waw   !!it is very impressive 
> > >>> why not 32 billion feet ???
> > >> 
> > >> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
> > >> couldn t follow it, could you?
> > >> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> > >>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> > >>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &
> > >> 
> > >> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. 
> > >> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> > >>>>> they move  in straight lines 
> > >>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
> > >>>>> an 
> > >>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
> > >>>>> not because curved space !!
> > >>>>> but curved  globe 
> > >>>>> 2
> > >>>>> I indicated that
> > >>>>> even  according to my understanding
> > >>>>> SR  is right !!!
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> > >>>>> and   i understand  it 
> > >>>>> but not 
> > >>>>> Gr calculations 
> > >>>>> we have to find  out 
> > >>>>> if they use
> > >>>>> GR calculations
> > >>>>> or may be
> > >>>>> just SR calculations 
> > >>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
> > >>>>> Sr 
> > >>>>> with GR ??
> > >>>>> we have to ask 
> > >>>>> the  real people 
> > >>>>> who did  it 
> > >>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
> > >>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> > >>>>> Sr with     GR!??
> > >>>>> =================TIA
> > >>>>> Y.P
> > >>>>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> now Bod
> > >>> it is your  turn to listen to me :
> > >>> 
> > >>> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
> > >>> 1
> > >>> remember the  Edington experiment 
> > >>> about curved light near earth :
> > >>> 
> > >>> that is where mistakes started :
> > >>> 
> > >>> 1
> > >>> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
> > >>> I showed andproved an historic finding that
> > >>> PHOTONS  HAS MASS
> > >>> THEONLY MASS
> > >>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
> > >>> by analyzing the formula 
> > >>> E photon-hf   (plank )
> > >>> if you analyze the dimension of it
> > >>> you find to  your surprise that 
> > >>> the photon has mass
> > >>> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
> > >>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
> > >>> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
> > >>> SO
> > >>> 2
> > >>> 
> > >>> in the Edington experiment 
> > >>> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
> > >>> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
> > >>> and earth has mass !!
> > >>> so light is curving  next to earth 
> > >>> 
> > >>> E photon  =hf remember 
> > >>> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
> > >>> and if em waves curve next to earth 
> > >>> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
> > >>> to lead it around   our globe
> > >>> to be used at any point  on   earth
> > >>> (look google 
> > >>> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
> > >>> by Y  Porat
> > >>> I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
> > >>> 
> > >>> so
> > >>> bottom line  in short
> > >>> em waves cure around our globe 
> > >>> not because of f en    curved  'space 
> > >>> but because Newtonian physics 
> > >>> that NASA use 
> > >>> for its interstellar  project 
> > >>> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
> > >>> not because of f en curve space 
> > >>> but because mass is attracting   mass
> > >>> and if you don't mind 
> > >>> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
> > >>> not curved   space''   
> > >>> it will be  in   future in your books
> > >>> TIA
> > >>> Y.Porat
> > >>> ============> > TIA
> > >>> Y.P
> > >>> ==================> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> -- 
> > >> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > > ==================dear  ingenious   Bodkin anonymous !!
> > > 
> > > I unlike you  --   am not  just a parrot  as you 
> > > I am a  little more than a parrot as you   
> > > with my own creative  mind !!
> > 
> > It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity
> > by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. 
> > 
> > You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though
> > that is a virtue. 
> > 
> > > so !!
> > > if we think about the 
> > > 'EDINGTON'   effect ''/experiment 
> > > in the 'Eddington effect'
> > > the light   em beam
> > > is indeed curving   NEXT TO   earth
> > > but that curvature is  not **sharp enough **
> > > to follow curvature of earth all around !!!!
> > 
> > Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. 
> 
> 
> ====
> show those  calculations
> and don't  hand wave !!
> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > need I  have to go on  with  that explanation ?? 
> > > may be  one of  our **thinking ** readers**can  guess  and  go on and
> > > explain what is going  on
> > > with   that  experiment and  current use of it 
> > > and why is it that we need
> > > many** transmission stations to  redirect the  em beam
> > > to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE  ?? !!
> > 
> > That’s not what’s going on.  That’s not the reason there are so many
> > satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something
> > up, with your “creative” mind.
> 
> ====
> I showed    yo   parrot that even  theortically  
>  and experimentally  
> the Edington  em wavs were only partially curving 
> around globe 
> but di t go on  curving the globe 
> because  
> 
> your f en  curved space 
> did not exist 
> all aground  our globe !!
> 
> and that partial deviation 
> we had 
> was because ordinary local interaction 
> between  
> mass of earth and   mass of PHOTON !!!
> and in that beeam  going on
> it dint find your   f en   curved space 
> 
> AND THEREFORE 
> CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE  !!!!
> got it idiot
> why  went  on    straight line 
> while your f en curved   space 
> is ''said to   exist ''
> all  around our globe !!!
> is does not saied to '' exist ''    ***only*t the above  that specific location 
> but  '''all  around   our globe !!
> and I did not occur  in practice !!
> 
> got it parrot 
> 
> TIA
> Y.P
> =============================

sorry typo
o recall  that 

the light in the Edington experiment 
curved next to  another plane of  our 
planets (not sround  our globe 

but the concussions are the same as I indicated above 

TIA
Y.Porat
================

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#711306

From"I. Seymour Butts" <invalid@example.com>
Date2018-11-03 13:26 -0700
Message-ID<prl09g$1ll9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#711232
Double-idiot.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#712385

Fromyporat08@gmail.com
Date2018-11-10 23:56 -0800
Message-ID<98aecb74-8d80-4124-a9b9-11a84f11f38f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#711031
On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> There  is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!!
> >>>> 
> >>>> space is nothing!!
> >>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
> >>>> except length  dimension --
> >>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
> >>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
> >>>> for me 
> >>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
> >>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
> >>>> 
> >>>> that does not to say that
> >>>> I AM  not A GREAT   ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !!
> >>>> FOR
> >>>> his 
> >>>> E=mc^2
> >>>> 
> >>>> for his photoelectric findings 
> >>>> and   his   SR!!
> >>>> that  is as well right !!!! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> ==================================> >> but
> >>>> Einstein was only a human  being 
> >>>> not an Angle from  heaven
> >>>> and
> >>>> 'Hominum -errata est''  (spell ??in  Roman 
> >>>> ====== 
> >>>> now
> >>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' 
> >>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing
> >>>> along more than 100  years     !! 
> >>>> by preventing  / ''screening''   some
> >>>> other  real 
> >>>> needed advance   !! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
> >>>> 
> >>>> not to speak about  PRACTICAL USES
> >>>> even  NASSA by its interstellar  projects 
> >>>> (to send a human  being to  Mars!!!
> >>>> does no use it!!
> >>>> except 
> >>>> the   ordinary  Newtonian physics !!
> >>>> now
> >>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
> >>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
> >>>> 2
> >>>> my  alternative  claim is that
> >>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
> >>>> that
> >>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
> >>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
> >>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
> >>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
> >>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
> >>>> 
> >>>> unprecedented  !!
> >>>> 
> >>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
> >>>> Eng
> >>>> Yehiel Porat 
> >>>> 2/11/2018
> >>>> =====================> > now
> >>> 
> >>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
> >>> wanted to  cheat us  
> >>> by saying that:
> >>> 
> >>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
> >>> 
> >>> so what do you think about it ?
> >>> 
> >>> TIA
> >>> Y.Porat
> >>> 
> >>> ===================> > 
> >> 
> >> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that
> >> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass
> >> you a little?
> >> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > 
> > ========================thank you Bodkin
> > indeed you are better than me in searching 
> > the net 
> > now
> > please note 
> > 
> > the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
> > 
> > if space is curved 
> > why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
> 
> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
> 
> > 
> > IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
> > WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
> > EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
> 
> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
> 
> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> doesn’t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
> curved spacetime. THAT’S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
> 
> > but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
> > not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
> > that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
> > probably
> > with relative short distance straight lines !!
> 
> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth’s surface. The radius of
> curvature of spacetime near the earth’s surface is 31 million billion feet.
> The radius of curvature of the earth’s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
> look like the same numbers to you!?!
> 
> > 
> > em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
> > they move  in straight lines 
> > and therefore there  is the need of 
> >  an 
> > eye to eye    system !!  
> > not because curved space !!
> > but curved  globe 
> > 2
> > I indicated that
> > even  according to my understanding
> > SR  is right !!!
> > 
> > so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
> > and   i understand  it 
> > but not 
> > Gr calculations 
> > we have to find  out 
> > if they use
> > GR calculations
> > or may be
> > just SR calculations 
> > and  it is their mistake to mix 
> > Sr 
> > with GR ??
> > we have to ask 
> > the  real people 
> > who did  it 
> > 'with  their hands'' 
> > and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
> > Sr with     GR!??
> > =================TIA
> > Y.P
> > ============== 

I told you   parrot 
you  and   Einstein  can plat with  your 
curves space lines as much as you like    and  all night
but
the fact is that prcticslly 
GPs is using  a thick net of

eye to eye  (do you understand what is eye tO  eye system 

AMD WHY  SO??
BECUSE IN THAT CASE 
A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH***  IS  NEEDED !!
GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ???
THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ??

NOT nice dream at   might !!!!

TIA
Y.P
==============================



 





> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


Page 1 of 4  [1] 2 3 4  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | sci.physics


csiph-web