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  Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 18:22 -0700
    Re: Gravity creates Entropy Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-09 18:52 -0700
      Re: Gravity creates Entropy Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 21:35 -0500
        Re: Gravity creates Entropy "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-09 20:19 -0700
      Re: Gravity creates Entropy HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 06:18 -0400
      Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 09:33 -0700
        Re: Gravity creates Entropy "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-10 10:14 -0700
          Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 11:09 -0700
            Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-10 18:45 +0000
              Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 13:03 -0700
                Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 14:21 -0700
                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 15:05 -0700
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 17:11 -0500
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 00:07 +0000
                      Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 18:11 -0700
                        Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 05:25 +0000
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 23:44 -0700
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 12:37 +0000
                Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-10 22:22 +0000
                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 15:31 -0700
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 17:32 -0500
                      Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 16:14 -0700
                        Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 07:50 -0500
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 06:44 -0700
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 14:16 +0000
                              Re: Gravity creates Entropy Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 09:40 -0500
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 09:51 -0500
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 01:43 +0000
            Re: Gravity creates Entropy HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 15:07 -0400
    Re: Gravity creates Entropy "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-09 19:10 -0700
    Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 09:54 -0700
      Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 10:52 -0700
        Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 13:22 -0500
          Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 11:38 -0700
            Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 14:01 -0500
        Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 19:08 +0000
          Re: Gravity creates Entropy Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 12:18 -0700
            Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 15:40 -0700
              Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 18:06 -0500
                Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 17:33 -0700
                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 20:09 -0500
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 00:02 -0400
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 07:49 -0700
                      Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-14 05:00 +0000
                        Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 06:20 -0700
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-14 14:04 +0000
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:48 -0700
                              Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 11:57 -0700
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-14 13:05 -0700
                              Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 13:19 -0700
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 11:14 -0500
                      Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:38 -0500
                        Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 08:22 -0700
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 18:10 +0200
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 12:37 -0700
                              Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:06 -0500
                                Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 02:41 -0700
                                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 08:04 -0500
                                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-15 14:24 +0000
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 12:57 -0500
    Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 11:57 -0700

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#520183

On 9/10/2015 5:31 PM, john wrote:
> Michael
> Billions and billions of neutrinos are
> going right through your finger
> EVERY SECOND.
> So- now- tiny amount? What?
> If BHs are the only thing that stops
> them, ALL the energy from ALL the
> neutrinos are being stopped by them.
> That's like 5% of ALL energy.

How did you come up with 5%, John?
1 part in 20 is a pretty big fraction.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#520194

Odd- from Wiki:
"Neutrinos do not interact significantly with matter and therefore do not help support the Sun against gravitational collapse. Their energy is lost: the neutrinos in the ppI, ppII and ppIII chains carry away 2.0%, 4.0%, and 28.3% of the energy in those reactions, respectively.[7]"
Since the first one is the main reaction,
it will be less than the 5% I guessed

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#520273

On 9/10/2015 6:14 PM, john wrote:
> Odd- from Wiki:
> "Neutrinos do not interact significantly with matter and therefore do not help support the Sun against
> gravitational collapse. Their energy is lost: the neutrinos in the ppI, ppII and ppIII chains carry away
> 2.0%, 4.0%, and 28.3% of the energy in those reactions, respectively.[7]"
> Since the first one is the main reaction,
> it will be less than the 5% I guessed
>

I'm not following. The wiki article is saying that those fractions are 
the amount of energy carried away by neutrino in those particular 
processes in our particular sun.

The statement you made is that neutrino energy absorbed by black holes 
accounts for 5% of the total energy of the universe.

Those two don't seem to have much to do with each other, other than they 
are both statements about neutrinos.

It's like if you made a statement that illegal drugs traffic involves 
90% of the black people world-wide, and to support that you cited a stat 
that 90% of the drug arrests in Camden, NJ, were attributable to black 
people.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#520287

Odd said
"I'm not following."
And that worries you, doesn't it?

Follow this- right now there seems to
be a gazillion-plus neutrinos going
everywhere and doing nothing.
And they're looking for "Dark Energy".
Following so far?

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#520293

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Follow this- right now there seems to
>be a gazillion-plus neutrinos going
>everywhere and doing nothing.
>And they're looking for "Dark Energy".
>Following so far?

Neutrinos were considered as a candidate for dark matter (not dark energy
as they hardly interact at all), but apparently all the models predict 
that there is nowhere near enough of them to explain dark matter.  I am 
not familiar with this type of prediction so I don't know any more.

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#520296

On 9/11/15 9:16 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> Neutrinos were considered as a candidate for dark matter (not dark energy
> as they hardly interact at all), but apparently all the models predict
> that there is nowhere near enough of them to explain dark matter.  I am
> not familiar with this type of prediction so I don't know any more.
>

   The neutrinos that we know about are "too hot" to clump on the
   observed scales, and therefore are not good candidates for dark
   matter.

-- 

sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
community, and physics-related social issues.

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#520302

On 9/11/2015 8:44 AM, john wrote:
> Odd said
> "I'm not following."
> And that worries you, doesn't it?

No, not really, but it does make we want to ask you to explain your 
argument better.

>
> Follow this- right now there seems to
> be a gazillion-plus neutrinos going
> everywhere and doing nothing.
> And they're looking for "Dark Energy".
> Following so far?
>

This seems to be veering off track. I asked you where your 5% number for 
total energy loss from neutrino absorption by black holes came from. So 
far you've quoted an unrelated number about energy losses from the sun 
attributable to neutrinos.

But on the question of dark matter or dark energy, neutrinos have been 
considered (and I believe ruled out) as a candidate for dark matter. You 
can google "are neutrinos dark matter candidates?" to get a good list of 
articles about that. Neutrinos going everywhere and doing nothing would 
not have the behavior required of dark energy.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#520228

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>Billions and billions of neutrinos are
>going right through your finger
>EVERY SECOND.

Yeah, what about them?

>So- now- tiny amount? What?

Read what I wrote.  For neutrinos from one galaxy to interact with
another, pushing them apart (or so you claim), they'd have to enter and be
absorbed by its central black hole, otherwise they'll go right through the
galaxy. So I repeat, what's the cross sectional area of, for example, the
black hole inside Andromeda, as seen from Earth, and what percentage of
the Sun's neutrinos will encounter it?  I'll help you: Andromeda's black
hole has a radius of about 4.68×10^11 meters.

>If BHs are the only thing that stops
>them, ALL the energy from ALL the
>neutrinos are being stopped by them.

Say, what?  For a neutrino to be absorbed by a black hole, it will have
to actually encounter one first.

Maybe you can come up with a rough estimate of what portion of the sky is
in direct line with a galactic central black hole (or any other black 
hole).

>That's like 5% of ALL energy.

Yup, a lot of energy (dunno about 5%) is locked up in neutrinos, mostly
forever gone.

>What do YOU think happens to the
>energy from neutrinos,
>Michael?

They mostly go on and on forever.

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#520125

On 9/10/2015 2:09 PM, john wrote:
 >
> I have been saying this for a long time, now.

It was stupid then. Nothing has changed.

> Electrons give off energy of the same
> kind as the Sun's neutrinos, in the same
> way, for the same reason. The
> neutrinos from electrons are scaled-down
> versions of those from the Sun.

No.


> Neutrinos from the Sun push on the
> Sun's center- the center of the Galaxy-
> promoting galactic separation.
> Smaller-scale neutrinos from electrons
> push on the atoms' centers- promoting
> Gravity


Well, I'd agree with you 100% except for the simple fact that you are 
wrong yet again. 100% wrong.


-- 
Woodland Critters Christmas
https://goo.gl/DysCAl

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#520060

<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> "reber g=emc^2" Glazier the Cretin wrote:
<mercifully snipped Glazier's Gutter physics & his Glazierola>
>
<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> "G=EMC^2TreBert" &/or "reber g=emc^2" 
does respond now to the call label __ "Glazier the Swine"__, who wrote 
on 7 Sept: "Getting my ass going Sept 8 even if I can't heat and cheat 
I'm going to swing M&M into phase II"
>
hanson wrote:
So Glazier you lying Cretin, your phase II is not M&M but your
plethora of posts that contain ONLY Glazier's Gutter physics and
Glazier's shcizophrenic & FILTHY Glazierola in which Glazier
behaves like a dog that barks into the might at a distant noise 
that you know nothing about, which makes Glazier to be a danger 
& an embarrassment to every Jew, everywhere, day in & day out.

AND,  Glazier you Swine, on 5-Sept you cried that you were too
old, ( too Moldy & too Mildewed ), to run M&M, cuz of your DT 
from  your 11 Pills/d and your chronic alcoholism... which made
>
Glazier thw Lying Swine to write: 
"hanson made me famous" which is shown in a Web search:
--- Swine Glazier G=EMC^2 Cretin -- = 27'833 hits & rising
--- reber g=emc^2 Shitter & Vandal -- = 27'953 hits & rising
>
hanson wrote:
So Glazier, you FILTHY Swine, your "fame" seems to include
that you admit now that your victims of  your criminal threats
of Glazier shitting into posters' mouth and pissing onto their 
graves may make them sick and make them become criminally
insane like the thoughts that are stored in the criminal mind
of Swine Glazier himself is ... indicates that administering 
<http://tinyurl.com/G-EMC2-Recall-Therapy> does work,
since you respond to the call-label: "Glazier, the Swine".
>
Glazier, you Swine, "best to keep in mind" the following
which shows that YOU are a very sick swine, Glazier, who
posted 
>
(3)
On 06Dec2014, when Swine Glazier said to Jacoby "benj"
<nobody@gmail.com>: Reality is you always post under
me for you are an ass kisser. For Christmas I'll shit on your kisser.
Benj, you can thank me in advance. - TreBert. ... after which...
>
(2)
On 07Feb 2015 & on 08Feb2015, when the Jewish Swine wrote:
Harlow HVAC, Mr.HVAC@gmail.com, Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net
& Jacoby Benj, <nobody@gmail.com>: "I'll be sitting on your face
to take a shit & say: "Open wide". ... and he continued after
>
(1)
On 25Mar2008 Swine Glazier wrote in:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/3ffe7b2257cf8a9a
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.physics/uYtpFTRnW4k/morPVyJ7_j8J
Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And have agood laugh
when it seeps down on your face. -- Bert.
>
Glazier's ex-tutor Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> said:
Glazier, "Its a shame"  that your science is far worse
than the man's on the street.
Glazier, your postings are old man's garbage.
Glazier, your brain is entangles with a used garbage can.
reber, take your you know it all thinking to your grave .
reber, your horseshit gets old.Say hi to Allah for me.
reber, you don't believe in science.
Glazier, do not post in a science newsgroup.
Glazier, quit posting __ your Gutter Science__.
Glazier, exit USENET. -- IOW Glazier, beat it!
>
Jim Pennino jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
Glazier, you are a spamming piece of shit... 
>
Astrophysicist "Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote:
GLAZIER YOU ARE A LAMEbrain PIECE OF SHIT!
Saul Levy
>
"benj" <nobody@gmail.com> Jacoby Ben, MSc wrote:
One only has to read Glazier's posts to see when Bert was lobotomized.
>
Moderator General "HVAC" <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Harlow Campbell succinctly added & wrote:
>
"TreBert, you are one stupid cocksucker".
"Bert, Seriously. You are the stupidest cocksucking
moron who ever came down the Mass Pike.
"Bert, does your stupidity know no bounds?"
"Bert, you really are a pathetic excuse for a human
fucking being". "Bert is a racist. (And he's stupid too)"
"Bert, are the stupidest cocksucker on the planet."
"Spin THIS, Glazier, you fucking idiot." "Bert get
some spelling lessons, you feeble-minded fuck".
"Bert, your opinion doesn't count"
"Bert you are an idiot."
"Bert, you are a clueless cocksucker .... and "Bert
you are senile, dazed & confused. Fucked in the head.
"a trained cockroach is smarter than Bert"
"Bert, you should be arrested"
"Bert, I will call the police and tell them that your
van seems to be a center for drug activity in the
Wal-Mart parking lot"....
>
hanson wrote:
So Glazier you filthy Swine, given that the police is aware
that YOU issued criminal threats to the above posters with
your intent to shit into their mouths and piss onto their
graves, ... what did the cops say to you when you made
the local  police "aware" that....
>
<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> :B::ert Glazier, the Swine,
Hate filled War monger, Jewish Jailbird, Face-shitter and
Graveyard Vandal, Thief, Racist, Bigot & Criminal Communist
Traitor Sympathizer "reber g=emc^2" introduced himself
as/with
>
:B:: "I am a proud Jew with a Superiority complex &
:B:: an IQ of 122", & "I do know how everything works,.."
:B:: "Being Jewish I know this is so very true" -- Bert.
:B:: "I'm a non-bible(torra) Jew I'm the only Jew that
:B:: got 2 letters from two Popes". Bert
:B:: "I'm M&M's Clueless Fuck-faced turd".Bert.
:B:: "I gave G=EMC^2 (wrong & stolen) to the world"
:B:: "Israel will drop its first H-bomb 'David' ". TreBert
:B:: __"I'm glad when war breaks out"__ Bert
:B:: "I'll be sitting on Benj's, Saul Levi's & HVAC's
:B:: face to take a shit & say: "Open your mouth wide".
:B:: "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And laugh".
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
:B:: "Even the FBI has me as a trouble maker and
:B:: the FBI blocks my phone from calling them. "....
:B:: cuz "I was mixing sulfur,carbon & iron together
:B:: to make gun powder" ....
>
>
<http://tinyurl.com/G-EMC2-Recall-Therapy> 
for <http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier>.

.

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#520328

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> Have thoughts that matter is adding to space energy.Hmmm  Like its evaporating into space.Its a cosmic constant going continually.Its the key to space expanding at an accelerated rate.Its dark energy at work.I now think this will come to be the only energy in the cosmos in 10 trillion years from now. TreBert

Neutrinos get from A to B faster than photons,yet they both go at c.They help prove photons do not change speed of c.Nature makes great use of neutrinos Fermi figured that out. TreBert

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#520345

Odd said
"Neutrinos going everywhere and doing nothing
would not have the behavior of DE."
But what if they're going everywhere and
pushing on (being absorbed by) BHs?

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#520350

On 9/11/2015 12:52 PM, john wrote:
> Odd said
> "Neutrinos going everywhere and doing nothing
> would not have the behavior of DE."
> But what if they're going everywhere and
> pushing on (being absorbed by) BHs?
>

Quantitatively, the amount of momentum carried by neutrinos, not even a 
bazillion of them, is enough to account for the acceleration of the 
universe. This is where calculations come into play, not just general 
directional hand-waving.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#520355

Odd
I point
You calculate
Clear?

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#520356

On 9/11/2015 1:38 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> I point
> You calculate
> Clear?
>

Nah, I don't think that makes sense, John.

Because all that ends up happening is that you point in more or less 
random directions, having no idea whether the direction is likely to 
have any payoff, and then you want other people to explain why it's a 
no-payoff or a payoff direction.

That, frankly, is the lazy man's approach.

Numerical literacy and the ability to find key numbers online and then 
do basic back-of-the-envelope calculations to see if it's remotely 
sensible, is a basic scientific skill. Anyone who is interested in 
scientific idea needs practice in this skill.

This was taught to me in science classes from high school to college. We 
worked simple things like: how long does it take for a low earth 
satellite to orbit the earth? This you should be able to calculate only 
knowing the diameter of the earth and the value of g, and you should be 
able to calculate it in your head and get an answer that is good to 
about 1 part in 20.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#520358

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd said
>"Neutrinos going everywhere and doing nothing
>would not have the behavior of DE."
>But what if they're going everywhere and
>pushing on (being absorbed by) BHs?

Did you ever figure what percentage of neutrinos from the sun (or the 
Milky Way as a whole) would be absorbed by the black hole at the center
of the Andromeda Galaxy?  How many zeroes do I need between the decimal
point and the first significant figure?

Now multiply by the number of neutrinos per second the sun releases.

Also, did you figure out what percent of the sky is directly in line with
a galactic center black hole?  Assume each galaxy has one, and a Milky Way
sized galaxy has a Milky Way sized black hole and the others are 
proportional.

Once you've done that, I'll have more homework for you.

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#520361

On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 3:08:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >Odd said
> >"Neutrinos going everywhere and doing nothing
> >would not have the behavior of DE."
> >But what if they're going everywhere and
> >pushing on (being absorbed by) BHs?
> 
> Did you ever figure what percentage of neutrinos from the sun (or the 
> Milky Way as a whole) would be absorbed by the black hole at the center
> of the Andromeda Galaxy?  How many zeroes do I need between the decimal
> point and the first significant figure?

Zero. And Zero. Go measure.

> Now multiply by the number of neutrinos per second the sun releases.

Zero times what?
 
> Also, did you figure out what percent of the sky is directly in line with
> a galactic center black hole?  Assume each galaxy has one, and a Milky Way
> sized galaxy has a Milky Way sized black hole and the others are 
> proportional.

Did you MM figure it out? 

> Once you've done that, I'll have more homework for you.

Thanks Teacher, may I/We have another?

-- Mahipal

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#520396

Michael-
Olber, Ulber, whatever, already did it.
From far enough away the entire sky
should be blazing. But it's not. Why
not? Photon absorption by dust.
But neutrinos don't get absorbed by 
dust. So- if we could "see" neutrinos,
the whole sky should be blazing.
So if BHs absorb neutrinos, which I say 
they do, they should absorb them all.
100%. None get away. No "heat death".
A cycle, Michael.

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#520407

On 9/11/2015 5:40 PM, john wrote:
>
> Michael-
> Olber, Ulber, whatever, already did it.
>  From far enough away the entire sky
> should be blazing. But it's not. Why
> not? Photon absorption by dust.

That's not the reason.
Google "Olber's Paradox"

> But neutrinos don't get absorbed by
> dust. So- if we could "see" neutrinos,
> the whole sky should be blazing.

Nope, for same reason it's not true for light, which has nothing to do 
with dust absorptoin.

> So if BHs absorb neutrinos, which I say
> they do, they should absorb them all.
> 100%. None get away. No "heat death".
> A cycle, Michael.
>

EVENTUALLY all would hit a black hole IF the universe is unbounded. But 
that might take quite a bit longer than the age of the universe. MOST 
neutrinos that have been emitted sometime in the last 13.8 billion years 
have not traveled far enough to hit a black hole.

But let's suppose the universe is bounded. In this case, if you keep 
going straight in some direction, you'll eventually end up right where 
you started. Or at least you'll end up in some place very near to where 
you started. It's like traveling straight ahead on the surface of the 
earth, veering neither left nor right, and you're not sensitive to the 
curvature of the surface. Now ask, "If I head in some random direction, 
will I eventually run into a volcano." Well, maybe. It might not happen 
on the first pass around the earth. Maybe it happens on the 3978th pass 
around the world, each time your path being a little different than what 
it was before. But it's also possible that you NEVER run into a volcano. 
Because there are only a finite number of volcanos on the earth, and 
it's possible to pass an INFINITE number of times over the surface of 
the earth and there still be some places you never get close to.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Michael-
You realize, don't you, that if the
Universe IS bounded, and the
neutrinos keep coming around,
there will be a higher and higher
density of them?
That actually shoots the argument you
appear to be making right in the foot
:)

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