Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon

From	Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Newsgroups	rec.arts.sf.science, sci.astro, sci.physics, sci.space.policy
Subject	Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon
Date	2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
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Fred J  McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>
>>Fred J  McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Fred J  McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>>>
>>>>> This will be more complicated and more 'expensive' than on Earth,
>>>>> since you don't have the complex hydrocarbon feedstock on Mars.  But,
>>>>> as the link points out, "You can make every plastic available on Earth
>>>>> from resources on Mars.
>>>>
>>>>Sure.
>>>>
>>>>The main question is how much complexity this entails, and how
>>>>many people and what sort of technological organization this needs
>>>>for a colony to work.
>>>>
>>>
>>><snip irrelevancies>
>>
>>Not quite irrelevant, it shows that you need thousands of people
>>working in the proposed Mars chemical industry alone to be able
>>to make simple parts we take for granted here.
>>
>
> Or you'd have more automated equipment because people are more
> expensive.

Current chemical industry is already automated to a very high
degree.  Also, automation is expensive in equipment.  When equipment
fails, you need somebody to repair it.  And so on...

If you only have a few thousand people, the best you can hope
for is technology of around hundread years ago.  They didn't have
all the complicated, interconnected stuff.  The only rubber they
could use was natural rubber.  Synthetic fabrics were unknown, as
were plastics except for Bakelite.

So, bring on those cotton plants.

> Or you teleoperate.  But yes, TOTAL self-sufficiency
> (which we don't have in the United States, by the way) takes more than
> a dozen people.  Incremental steps...

To do anything really useful, you need quite a big first step.

>>You'll need a at least few hundred thousand people to get a mostly
>>self-sufficient colony going, and you will need to supply them
>>while the aren't yet self-sufficient.
>>
>
> How did you arrive at that number of people?  How much did you assume
> was automated and/or being produced by something like a 3D printer?

I was talking about chemicals, which are the raw material for 3D
printers.  Automated is already done.

> None of this is magical technology.  We use more people-intensive
> processes here because people are cheaper.

Not really.  We (in the West) already automate to the point where
it is unrealistic to expect more at the current level of
technology.

The problem is not only running the processes smoothly on a
day-to-day basis.  The problem is that you need people for
process upsets, for mechanical failures and for maintenance.

Mechanical seals fail.  Solid gets into pumps and plugs them.
Heat exchangers foul.  Pumps wear out.  Pipes corrode.  Insulation
of electrical motors degrades over time.  And so on...

And every five years or so, you have a big turnaround to inspect
everything and replace or repair worn or damaged parts.

Currently, we do not have the technology to avoid this kind of
thing, and automation is not going to help there.  If we had the
technology, we would be using it now.

[As you may have guessed, I work in the chemical industry, so
I know a little about the issues involved].

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Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
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