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Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon

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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
>>>>>>highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
>>>>>>you?
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> You do know that we can make concrete and cement out of lunar rock,
>>>>> don't you?
>>>>
>>>>Sure, one can make concrete out of just about anything. It is making
>>>>the cement that is the problem, which requires limestone.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> You need to research before you run your mouth.  They actually tested
>>> the suitability of lunar rocks for making construction materials and
>>> they could do everything they needed to do.  We use limestone as the
>>> calcium source here on Earth because it's easily gotten, but a lack of
>>> limestone really doesn't mean shit as long as you have rocks with
>>> calcium in them.
>>
>>Are there extensive calcium deposits on the Moon?
>>
> 
> Extensive enough.  Is Google broken on your machine or what?

Are there cement factories on the Moon?

What would it cost to build a cement factory on the Moon?

> 
> http://www.nss.org/settlement/nasa/spaceresvol3/lunacem1.htm
> 
>>>>>>You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to
>>>>>>where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is presumably because the colony was planned by you and you
>>>>> didn't allow any supplies but stone axes and bear skins.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That is both childish and stupid.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Oh, look whose talking, Mr "They all believe Star Trek science and
>>> economics are real" who does nothing but wave hands and make strawman
>>> arguments.
>>>
>>
>>Like pointing out facts?
>>
> 
> You have yet to point out any 'facts'.  I've posted links to papers
> and studies that explode any number of the falsehoods that seem to be
> your stock in trade, though.
> 
>>>>Care to detail how you would transport raw ore over just a hundred
>>>>miles on Mars and what would power that transport?
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Truck.  Hydrogen works.  Yes, you have to plan on needing the truck.
>>> You could crush and smelt to rough ingots (solar furnace works for
>>> that) to lower the volume you need to drag to your factory.
>>
>>Where do you get the hydrogen and what do you do with it then?
>>
> 
> I posted a link to a paper about this.  Perhaps you should bother to
> actually read things people point you to instead of insisting on
> remaining ignorant?

Unable to give a simple answer and prefer to be insulting?

> Let's try again.  READ IT THIS TIME, YAMMERHEAD!
> 
> http://chapters.marssociety.org/winnipeg/plastics.html
> 
>>> Yes, that's not how we do it here on Earth, but we're not talking
>>> about here on Earth anymore.
>>
>>Right, we are talking about a place with zero infrastructure, a thin
>>atmosphere that is 95% CO2, and easily obtainable source of either
>>oxygen or water.
>>
> 
> You really haven't kept up, have you?  Turns out there's all sorts of
> available water on Mars and there's even adequate amounts on the Moon.
> That's why we send those probe things, you know.

Is there a water plant on the Moon or Mars?

How much would it cost to build a water plant on the Moon or Mars?


>>>>>>If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary
>>>>>>and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Certainly one way to do it (and probably easiest for the initial
>>>>> colony), but long term production of power isn't that hard.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Really, where do you propose to get that power?
>>>>
>>> 
>>> The same place all power comes from; the Sun.  Crack water to get
>>> hydrogen if you need a portable power source, take a bunch of small
>>> reactors, RTGs, or whatever with you (along with a couple of big
>>> reactors to get you started).
>>
>>With a solar irradiance of less than 100 W/m^2 you are going to get
>>very little power from solar sources unless your array is measured
>>in kilometers.
>>
> 
> Your number is low.  Did you read the paper on power on Mars that I
> pointed you to?  Or did you just dishonestly delete the link?

I read several articles on the available irradiance on the surface
of Mars, all with wildly varying numbers from less than 100 W/m^2
average to as much as 500 W/m^2 average. The 100 W/m^2 number came
from a paper taking great care to include atmospheric diffusion.

>>
>>There is no known readily available source of water to crack.
>>
> 
> Of course there is.  Pull your head out of your ass and update your
> knowledge.

So you are saying there is a water plant on Mars all ready to go?

Or would water plants have to be first built and at what cost?

>>
>>If you get the water somehow, you need to store both the hydrogen
>>and the oxygen.
>>
> 
> Well, gee, no shit!  You know, we sort of know how to do that.

So what does it cost to build the water plant, the oxygen/hydrogen
generation plant, and the power source for all of it?

What does it cost to ship oxygen and hydrogen tanks to Mars?

>>
>>Sure, all of this is theoretically posible.
>>
>>The current cost to build a reactor on Earth is about $9 billion.
>>
> 
> You're talking about a multi-hundred megawatt power reactor that we'd
> never build on Mars.  A big chunk of that cost is environmental
> studies and other bureaucratic bullshit that won't need to take place
> on Mars.

Most all the environmental savings will be offset by the one off cost
of designing a reactor that will work on Mars.

Also, there is a chicken and egg problem. Massive amounts of water
will be required for you oxygen/hydrogen fuel and reactor cooling
but you can't get that until you have a reactor.

If you are talking about a real colony, then you do need that hundred
megawatt reactor.

If you are talking about a research station, you don't need any of
that expensive infrastructure, you just need resupply.

>>
>>So what is the total cost to haul a reactor in pieces along with all
>>the needed to put it together on Mars?
>>
> 
> Why haul it in pieces?  Again, we're not talking about the sort of
> power reactor we build here on Earth.

We are if you are taling about a real colony with families and kids.

>>
>>What is the tranportation cost for the kilometers of solar panels?
>>
> 
> In situ resource.

Last I heard the Chinese didn't have any solar panel plants on Mars,
so there is yet another thing that would have to be built for a 
real colony.


>>
>>What is the tranportation cost for the machinery to dig out the ice
>>we THINK is buried beneath the surface?
>>
> 
> You 'think'.  The rest of us are more current and 'know', because that
> free flowing water NASA probes have found evidence of has to come from
> somewhere and I'm pretty sure little green men aren't shipping the
> stuff in.  

Good way to ignore the question about the costs and throw in a gratuitous
insult.

>>
>>What is the tranportation cost for the machinery crack water?
>>
>>The point is that all this crap is just too expensive for it to ever
>>happen.
>>
> 
> Well, nobody is going to throw a dart at a map of Mars and drop
> Pittsburgh somewhere, true enough.  Again (I don't know why I'm
> bothering; you won't listen), you might want to read up on exploration
> and colonization back in the 15th century or so and adjust the costs
> by 600 years of inflation.

Wrong answer.

In the 15th century or so all you had to transport was basic hand tools,
seeds, clothes and a few other things.

There was no requirement for things like pressure suits, oxygen, water,
food and repair parts for high tech equiment just to stay alive for
more than a few minutes.


>>> Go read the Mars Reference Mission, Chimp.
>>
>>Which is to establish a research station, not a colony.
>>
> 
> Everything starts somewhere, Chimp.  If you're waiting for us to be
> able to drop Pittsburgh on Mars, you should just toddle back to your
> Intel 8008-based computer.  From the Mars Reference Mission "Goals and
> Objectives":
> 
> "Goal IV+: Preparation for sustained human presence. MEPAG (2006) uses
> the term ?Goal IV? to describe preparation for the first human
> explorers. By definition, this cannot be a goal for the first human
> missions; by then the preparation would have to have been complete.
> However, a goal of the first human missions is to prepare for the
> subsequent future after that."
> 
> In case you don't get it yet, "sustained human presence" is the start
> of a colony.

No, it is not.

We have had "sustained human presence" in Antartica for a long time,
but not a colony.


>>>>Certainly not from solar power as the solar irradiance on the surface
>>>>of Mars is less than 100 W/m^2.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Check your math.  Your number is wrong.
>>
>>Not my math, The Univerity of Colorado's math.
>>
>>That was an average number adjusting for the presence of haze in the
>>atmosphere.
>>
> 
> And counting hours of darkness and averaged over latitude, no doubt.
> In other words, if you're STUPID that's the number you plan to and put
> forward.

Nope, mid latitudes, ass hole.

>>>>Certainly not from wind power as the atmosphere is so thin there
>>>>is no energy to speak of in the wind, no matter what you saw in
>>>>"The Martian".
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Wrong again.  Once again, please educate yourself on the issues before
>>> flapping your arms and squawking.  Again, let me help.
>>> 
>>> http://www.marspapers.org/papers/MAR98058.pdf
>>
>>It appears that this paper pretty much agrees with what I said.
>>
> 
> Then English isn't your first language.
> 
> You:  Solar power is a non-starter.
> Paper:  "Solar power is readily available on Mars,..."

In small amounts; great for a research station, not so much so for an
actual colony.

> 
> You:  Wind power is a non-starter.
> Paper:  "Although the atmospheric density is about 100 times less than
> the Earth, Mars has several advantages for successful wind power
> applications..."

In small amounts; great for a research station, not so much so for an
actual colony.

>>>>>>You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into
>>>>>>something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings 
>>>>>>required to survive and do anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> You need to be able to dig a hole.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dig it with what and then what do you do with it?
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Dig it with tools (they're this marvelous thing we've invented since
>>> you looked at colonization of anywhere) and then seal it up and live
>>> in it.
>>
>>How much to transport all those tools to Mars?
>>
> 
> As a percentage of mission cost, not much.  And that's not how mission
> costing for these things works anyway.  You're sending the vehicle.
> Cost is opportunity cost.  Dollar cost once you are going to launch
> the vehicle is irrelevant, since it doesn't cost you much less if you
> leave out a few tons of stuff.

Dollar cost is always relevant as someone has to come up with the dollars.

Given a transport of some fixed size, the cost of transport is in how
much fuel is required per pound to get the cargo somewhere.

>>
>>Where do you get stuff to seal it unless you send it from Earth and
>>what does that cost?
>>
> 
> Which part of 'in situ plastics' is it that you missed?

Which part of there are no plastic plants on Mars or the Moon have
you missed?

>>>>
>>>>Line it and cover it with something shipped from Earth in pieces
>>>>at huge expense?
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Or instead you can pull your head out of your ass and seal it with
>>> locally produced plastics.  What you suggest will probably be how a
>>> base would do it initially, but again this is a problem people have
>>> thought about.  You need to study up.
>>
>>Again, you would need massive infrastructure already in place to make
>>plastic on Mars.
>>
> 
> Not as massive as you seem to think, but in any case you build up to
> it.  First missions you do with inflatables that you bury.  Digging
> holes and throwing dirt on top of something is pretty low tech stuff.
> Each mission brings more stuff and leaves it behind for the next
> group.  Eventually you're staying full time and you start getting that
> critical mass of 'infrastructure'.  Nobody sane thinks we're going to
> up and put Pittsburgh somewhere on Mars as the first 'colonization'
> mission and nobody sane thinks we have to.

The needs of a research station and a colony with families and kids
are so horrendously different that you will never, even slowly,
get to that critical mass of 'infrastructure'. Resupply would be
far cheaper.


>>>>>>You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
>>>>>>them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jimp, you just make them a different way.  Unlikely on the Moon, but
>>>>> not difficult at all on Mars.  Educate yourself.  People have examined
>>>>> all your 'impossible' problems and there are solutions to all of them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, not difficult at all on Mars for someone that isn't going to be
>>>>doing it or paying for it.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Chimp, better people than you have thought about all the problems you
>>> raise as things that are 'impossible' and it turns out they're just
>>> not that hard if you plan for them.
>>
>>I never said anything about hard, I am talking about the cost.
>>
> 
> No, you were talking about solar being impossible and wind being
> impossible and everything else being impossible until you got swatted
> back on that and NOW you want to raise cost.

You are listening to the voices in your head again.

I never said ANYTHING was impossible, I said it was so horrendously
expensive no one will be willing to pay for it.

>>
>>Again, the cost for all this pie in the sky is so horrendous it will
>>never happen.
>>
> 
> Good Lord, man, Isabella had to hock her jewels to pay for it!  This
> whole 'new world' pie in the sky has such horrendous costs that it
> will never happen!

And Isabella got a huge return on her investment.

There is no conceivable ROI for going to the Moon or Mars.

>>>>The issue is not whether or not it is theoretically possible to do
>>>>something on Mars, the issue is that doing anything on Mars, including
>>>>gettting there in the first place is horrendously expensive.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Initially getting to North America was "horrendously expensive", too.
>>> Just look at what those expeditions cost and adjust them for
>>> inflation.
>>
>>And most of them were done at a profit from all the stuff the expeditions
>>returned.
>>
> 
> Go study some more.

Lke your example of Isabella which resulted in enormous wealth for Spain?

>>
>>There is nothing on Mars that is anywhere near the value of the transportation
>>costs.
>>
> 
> Not the argument you've been trying to make, Chimp.

Nope, not the arguement I am making but my response to why anyone would
attempt to establish a real colony off the Earth.


>>> You keep arguing how things "aren't possible".  If you want to argue
>>> that it's not worth the money, that's a different issue.
>> 
>>I have never said "aren't possible", that is the voices in your head.
>>
> 
> And there's the Chimp that wonders why he gets bile and insults.

You mean because you keep saying I said things I never said?

>>
>>What I have said over and over again is that the cost of a colony on
>>Mars is so horrendously expensive with zero economic return it will
>>never happen absent the invention of techology that reduces the costs
>>many orders of magnitude.
>>
> 
> Yeah, the New World wasn't worth it for a long time, either.

Right, it took a year or two from the time Columbus sailed until Isabella
started seeing profits.

> Trudge back to your cave, Chimp...

Go back to your space cadet movies, dreamer.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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