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  Pascal and Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-18 11:53 -0700
    Re: Pascal and Relativity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-18 20:23 +0000
      Re: Pascal and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2023-08-19 09:51 +0200
        Re: Pascal and Relativity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-19 12:08 +0000
    Re: Pascal and Relativity Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-19 15:18 +0200
      Re: Pascal and Relativity Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-19 15:30 +0200
      Re: Pascal and Relativity Emilio Zhimerin <znzi@rriemrom.ii> - 2023-08-19 13:40 +0000
      Re: Pascal and Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-19 09:44 -0700
        Re: Pascal and Relativity Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 19:00 +0200
          Re: Pascal and Relativity "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:08 -0700
            Re: Pascal and Relativity nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 21:35 +0200
              Re: Pascal and Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-19 13:11 -0700
                Re: Pascal and Relativity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-20 17:40 +0000
              Re: Pascal and Relativity "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 11:06 -0700
          Re: Pascal and Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-19 10:17 -0700
            Re: Pascal and Relativity Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 19:24 +0200
          Re: Pascal and Relativity Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 10:20 -0400
            Re: Pascal and Relativity nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 18:03 +0200
              Re: Pascal and Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-21 09:46 -0700
            Re: Pascal and Relativity Samsath Grosse <ohsh@smahhhas.ma> - 2023-08-23 09:58 +0000

#618156 — Pascal and Relativity

Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of Blaise Pascal.

Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, either yours or Einstein's?

I seem to recall that Ross recently had a Pascalian "Night of Fire"

https://breakpoint.org/the-life-faith-and-brilliance-of-blaise-pascal/?utm_campaign=Product%20-%20Breakpoint%20Daily%20BPD&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=270769831&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9hB3DJImo8hD6qpNVBlfk1zk0fcWAz8nuYhq4ik2svWdwmVqNWgClAvQA4wKjI8zQrEPgcUzwV-LYhmvwLOHQa8U-vnA&utm_content=270769831&utm_source=hs_email

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#618166

Le 18/08/2023 à 20:53, patdolan a écrit :
> Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of Blaise Pascal.
> 
> Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, either yours or Einstein's?
> 
> I seem to recall that Ross recently had a Pascalian "Night of Fire"

It is absolutely impossible that Blaise Pascal accepted the relativity of 
Einstein and Minkowski.
He had a powerful and honest thought.
He was of an intelligence well above the average, saw things only from the 
angle of truth (and not boastfulness). He would have seen in less than 
three minutes that Einstein's theory was mathematically absurd (it has no 
chance of being true) and he would have spent his time, I think, mocking 
it.
As for mine, I'm absolutely sure he would have thought about it. And, 
seeing that it held the experimental road on everything, he would probably 
have adopted it as a divine theory.
I don't say "divine theory" in the sense that what I said is divine, or in 
the sense "Hachel is a genius", but in the sense, "This is the true 
description of God's universe ".
Yes, I sincerely think that Pascal would have dubbed me, and that he would 
have discreetly covered up the bullshit relating to Eisntein and Minkowski 
in less than three minutes.
Which then poses a problem today: but where are the Pascals of our time? 
We only see bullshit sheep.

R.H. 

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#618240

Den 18.08.2023 22:23, skrev Richard Hachel:
> Le 18/08/2023 à 20:53, patdolan a écrit :
>> Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of Blaise Pascal.
>>
>> Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, either yours or 
>> Einstein's?
>>
> 
> It is absolutely impossible that Blaise Pascal accepted the relativity 
> of Einstein and Minkowski.
> He had a powerful and honest thought.
> He was of an intelligence well above the average, saw things only from 
> the angle of truth (and not boastfulness). He would have seen in less 
> than three minutes that Einstein's theory was mathematically absurd (it 
> has no chance of being true) and he would have spent his time, I think, 
> mocking it.
> As for mine, I'm absolutely sure he would have thought about it. And, 
> seeing that it held the experimental road on everything, he would 
> probably have adopted it as a divine theory.
> I don't say "divine theory" in the sense that what I said is divine, or 
> in the sense "Hachel is a genius", but in the sense, "This is the true 
> description of God's universe ".
> Yes, I sincerely think that Pascal would have dubbed me, and that he 
> would have discreetly covered up the bullshit relating to Eisntein and 
> Minkowski in less than three minutes.
> Which then poses a problem today: but where are the Pascals of our time? 
> We only see bullshit sheep.
> 
> R.H.


Since Richard Hachel believes he has invented a "Devine theory",
he must believe he is God.

Too much!

This example of the Dunning–Kruger effect will be
the last posting of Dr. Hachel I will ever read.

<plonk>

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#618255

Le 19/08/2023 à 09:51, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
> 
> 
> Since Richard Hachel believes he has invented a "Devine theory",
> he must believe he is God.
> 
> Too much!
> 
> This example of the Dunning–Kruger effect will be
> the last posting of Dr. Hachel I will ever read.
> 
> <plonk>

If Paul B.Andersen edits a wonderful pdf on the SR,
I will say without any problem: "This pdf is divine".

It wouldn't occur to anyone to say that "PBA is God".

Let's stay calm.

We breathe, we blow.

R.H. 

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#618257

patdolan wrote:
> Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of Blaise Pascal.
> 
> Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, either yours or Einstein's?

Asking anything to Dr. Lengrand is only making sure to get a silly and
stupid answer (and you got it). Whatever the subject is!

Pascal may have enjoyed to read Hachel/Lengrand psychotic rant, for
entertainment value, you know? But he would also have considered
it for what it is: a total messy nonsense produced by a backward
country doctor with a huge narcissistic personality disorder in
addition to a disgusting lack of Humanity (he enjoy that kids are
killed by the police, for instance) and integrity (he publishes lie
upon lie).

He would also have had concerns on that such a charlatan is allowed
to practice medicine in France.

About Einstein Relativy, Blaise Pascal being a brilliant geometer he
would have loved SR (and GR). He is one of the founder, along with
Desargues and others, a marvelous kind of geometry: Projective
Geometry. There, all pairs of lines intersect, there is no kind of
distances between points (but there is a topology), there you can
permute the word "lines" and "points" (as well as "intersects" and "are
aligned") to produce true theorems from others proven theorems (this is
called "Pascal's duality"), three points on a plane have three
coordinates (called "homogeneous coordinates"), etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_geometry

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9om%C3%A9trie_projective

Pascal would have loved to discover how this generalizes to complex
coordinates, he would have loved also Minkowsky's geometry (something
that our stupid doctor Hachel despises, while not understanding it,
as usual) as it is basically a physical application of hyperbolic
geometry. Conics everywhere! He would have loved that!

But you are already lost, aren't you Pat?

Another fun fact about Pascal: during the XIXth century a scammer
made up false letters "proving" that Newton plagiarized Pascal. He
ended up convincing the mathematician Chasles. This is especially
surprising when you look at their dates of birth and death :
Pascal: 1623-1662, and Newton: 1642-1727!

See:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4028215

https://www.canalacademies.com/emissions/au-fil-des-pages/newton-a-t-il-plagie-pascal

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#618258

Python wrote:
> patdolan wrote:
>> Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of Blaise Pascal.
>>
>> Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, either yours or 
>> Einstein's?
> 
> Asking anything to Dr. Lengrand is only making sure to get a silly and
> stupid answer (and you got it). Whatever the subject is!
> 
> Pascal may have enjoyed to read Hachel/Lengrand psychotic rant, for
> entertainment value, you know? But he would also have considered
> it for what it is: a total messy nonsense produced by a backward
> country doctor with a huge narcissistic personality disorder in
> addition to a disgusting lack of Humanity (he enjoy that kids are
> killed by the police, for instance) and integrity (he publishes lie
> upon lie).
> 
> He would also have had concerns on that such a charlatan is allowed
> to practice medicine in France.
> 
> About Einstein Relativy, Blaise Pascal being a brilliant geometer he
> would have loved SR (and GR). He is one of the founder, along with
> Desargues and others, a marvelous kind of geometry: Projective
> Geometry. There, all pairs of lines intersect, there is no kind of
> distances between points (but there is a topology), there you can
> permute the word "lines" and "points" (as well as "intersects" and "are
> aligned") to produce true theorems from others proven theorems (this is
> called "Pascal's duality"), three points on a plane have three

Typo "all points on a plane have three ..."

> coordinates (called "homogeneous coordinates"), etc.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_geometry
> 
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9om%C3%A9trie_projective
> 
> Pascal would have loved to discover how this generalizes to complex
> coordinates, he would have loved also Minkowsky's geometry (something
> that our stupid doctor Hachel despises, while not understanding it,
> as usual) as it is basically a physical application of hyperbolic
> geometry. Conics everywhere! He would have loved that!
> 
> But you are already lost, aren't you Pat?
> 
> Another fun fact about Pascal: during the XIXth century a scammer
> made up false letters "proving" that Newton plagiarized Pascal. He
> ended up convincing the mathematician Chasles. This is especially
> surprising when you look at their dates of birth and death :
> Pascal: 1623-1662, and Newton: 1642-1727!
> 
> See:
> 
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/4028215
> 
> https://www.canalacademies.com/emissions/au-fil-des-pages/newton-a-t-il-plagie-pascal
> 
> 

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#618261

Python wrote:

> patdolan wrote:
>> Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of Blaise Pascal.
>> Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, either yours or
>> Einstein's?
> 
> Asking anything to Dr. Lengrand is only making sure to get a silly and
> stupid answer (and you got it). Whatever the subject is!

no, fucking stupid. There are 𝗻𝗼_𝘀𝗮𝗳𝗲_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗲𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲_𝘃𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀. They are no safe, 
and not at all effective. Vaccines are 𝗮_𝘁𝗼𝗼𝗹_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁𝘀_𝘁𝗼_𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻 the 
population. Along the centuries and millennia. Therefore, they will never 
forbid vaccines. And the vaccine capitalist manufacturers knows it. 
"𝘆𝗼𝘂_𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲_𝘁𝗼_𝗽𝗮𝘆_𝘂𝘀,_𝗶𝗳_𝘆𝗼𝘂_𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁_𝘁𝗼_𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻_𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿_𝗽𝗼𝗽𝘂𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻". 
"𝗪𝗲_𝗴𝗶𝘃𝗲_𝘆𝗼𝘂_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗺𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗲."

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#618276

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-7, Python wrote:
> patdolan wrote: 
> > Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of Blaise Pascal. 
> > 
> > Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, either yours or Einstein's?
> Asking anything to Dr. Lengrand is only making sure to get a silly and 
> stupid answer (and you got it). Whatever the subject is! 
> 
> Pascal may have enjoyed to read Hachel/Lengrand psychotic rant, for 
> entertainment value, you know? But he would also have considered 
> it for what it is: a total messy nonsense produced by a backward 
> country doctor with a huge narcissistic personality disorder in 
> addition to a disgusting lack of Humanity (he enjoy that kids are 
> killed by the police, for instance) and integrity (he publishes lie 
> upon lie). 
> 
> He would also have had concerns on that such a charlatan is allowed 
> to practice medicine in France. 
> 
> About Einstein Relativy, Blaise Pascal being a brilliant geometer he 
> would have loved SR (and GR). He is one of the founder, along with 
> Desargues and others, a marvelous kind of geometry: Projective 
> Geometry. There, all pairs of lines intersect, there is no kind of 
> distances between points (but there is a topology), there you can 
> permute the word "lines" and "points" (as well as "intersects" and "are 
> aligned") to produce true theorems from others proven theorems (this is 
> called "Pascal's duality"), three points on a plane have three 
> coordinates (called "homogeneous coordinates"), etc. 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_geometry 
> 
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9om%C3%A9trie_projective 
> 
> Pascal would have loved to discover how this generalizes to complex 
> coordinates, he would have loved also Minkowsky's geometry (something 
> that our stupid doctor Hachel despises, while not understanding it, 
> as usual) as it is basically a physical application of hyperbolic 
> geometry. Conics everywhere! He would have loved that! 
> 
> But you are already lost, aren't you Pat? 
> 
> Another fun fact about Pascal: during the XIXth century a scammer 
> made up false letters "proving" that Newton plagiarized Pascal. He 
> ended up convincing the mathematician Chasles. This is especially 
> surprising when you look at their dates of birth and death : 
> Pascal: 1623-1662, and Newton: 1642-1727! 
> 
> See: 
> 
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/4028215 
> 
> https://www.canalacademies.com/emissions/au-fil-des-pages/newton-a-t-il-plagie-pascal
Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always read Dr. Hachel.  I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from France since French Fries.  I will have a look at your several interesting links. Mathematic is almost as wonderful a tool for composing fiction as English prose.  As for his idiosyncrasies, they obviously point to his direct descent from the Emperor. 

Corollary to "every pair of lines intersect" -- the tangents to every pair of lines are parallel at some point.

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#618279

On 2023-08-19 16:44:24 +0000, patdolan said:

> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-7, Python wrote:
>> patdolan wrote:> > Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of 
>> Blaise Pascal.> >> > Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, 
>> either yours or Einstein's?
>> Asking anything to Dr. Lengrand is only making sure to get a silly and> 
>> stupid answer (and you got it). Whatever the subject is!>> Pascal may 
>> have enjoyed to read Hachel/Lengrand psychotic rant, for> entertainment 
>> value, you know? But he would also have considered> it for what it is: 
>> a total messy nonsense produced by a backward> country doctor with a 
>> huge narcissistic personality disorder in> addition to a disgusting 
>> lack of Humanity (he enjoy that kids are> killed by the police, for 
>> instance) and integrity (he publishes lie> upon lie).>> He would also 
>> have had concerns on that such a charlatan is allowed> to practice 
>> medicine in France.>> About Einstein Relativy, Blaise Pascal being a 
>> brilliant geometer he> would have loved SR (and GR). He is one of the 
>> founder, along with> Desargues and others, a marvelous kind of 
>> geometry: Projective> Geometry. There, all pairs of lines intersect, 
>> there is no kind of> distances between points (but there is a 
>> topology), there you can> permute the word "lines" and "points" (as 
>> well as "intersects" and "are> aligned") to produce true theorems from 
>> others proven theorems (this is> called "Pascal's duality"), three 
>> points on a plane have three> coordinates (called "homogeneous 
>> coordinates"), etc.>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_geometry>> 
>> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9om%C3%A9trie_projective>> Pascal 
>> would have loved to discover how this generalizes to complex> 
>> coordinates, he would have loved also Minkowsky's geometry (something> 
>> that our stupid doctor Hachel despises, while not understanding it,> as 
>> usual) as it is basically a physical application of hyperbolic> 
>> geometry. Conics everywhere! He would have loved that!>> But you are 
>> already lost, aren't you Pat?>> Another fun fact about Pascal: during 
>> the XIXth century a scammer> made up false letters "proving" that 
>> Newton plagiarized Pascal. He> ended up convincing the mathematician 
>> Chasles. This is especially> surprising when you look at their dates of 
>> birth and death :> Pascal: 1623-1662, and Newton: 1642-1727!>> See:>> 
>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/4028215>> 
>> https://www.canalacademies.com/emissions/au-fil-des-pages/newton-a-t-il-plagie-pascal 
>> 
> Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always read Dr. Hachel.  
> I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from France since 
> French Fries.

French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that 
name thought that Brussels was in France. If their successors had 
realized they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename 
them Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure 
in Iraq. Even people (like me) who weren't keen on Chirac in general 
were overwhelmingly on his side on that issue.

>   I will have a look at your several interesting links. Mathematic is 
> almost as wonderful a tool for composing fiction as English prose.  As 
> for his idiosyncrasies, they obviously point to his direct descent from 
> the Emperor.
> Corollary to "every pair of lines intersect" -- the tangents to every 
> pair of lines are parallel at some point.


-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#618281

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:00:14 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-19 16:44:24 +0000, patdolan said: 
> 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-7, Python wrote: 
> >> patdolan wrote:> > Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of 
> >> Blaise Pascal.> >> > Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, 
> >> either yours or Einstein's? 
> >> Asking anything to Dr. Lengrand is only making sure to get a silly and> 
> >> stupid answer (and you got it). Whatever the subject is!>> Pascal may 
> >> have enjoyed to read Hachel/Lengrand psychotic rant, for> entertainment 
> >> value, you know? But he would also have considered> it for what it is: 
> >> a total messy nonsense produced by a backward> country doctor with a 
> >> huge narcissistic personality disorder in> addition to a disgusting 
> >> lack of Humanity (he enjoy that kids are> killed by the police, for 
> >> instance) and integrity (he publishes lie> upon lie).>> He would also 
> >> have had concerns on that such a charlatan is allowed> to practice 
> >> medicine in France.>> About Einstein Relativy, Blaise Pascal being a 
> >> brilliant geometer he> would have loved SR (and GR). He is one of the 
> >> founder, along with> Desargues and others, a marvelous kind of 
> >> geometry: Projective> Geometry. There, all pairs of lines intersect, 
> >> there is no kind of> distances between points (but there is a 
> >> topology), there you can> permute the word "lines" and "points" (as 
> >> well as "intersects" and "are> aligned") to produce true theorems from 
> >> others proven theorems (this is> called "Pascal's duality"), three 
> >> points on a plane have three> coordinates (called "homogeneous 
> >> coordinates"), etc.>> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_geometry>> 
> >> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9om%C3%A9trie_projective>> Pascal 
> >> would have loved to discover how this generalizes to complex> 
> >> coordinates, he would have loved also Minkowsky's geometry (something> 
> >> that our stupid doctor Hachel despises, while not understanding it,> as 
> >> usual) as it is basically a physical application of hyperbolic> 
> >> geometry. Conics everywhere! He would have loved that!>> But you are 
> >> already lost, aren't you Pat?>> Another fun fact about Pascal: during 
> >> the XIXth century a scammer> made up false letters "proving" that 
> >> Newton plagiarized Pascal. He> ended up convincing the mathematician 
> >> Chasles. This is especially> surprising when you look at their dates of 
> >> birth and death :> Pascal: 1623-1662, and Newton: 1642-1727!>> See:>> 
> >> https://www.jstor.org/stable/4028215>> 
> >> https://www.canalacademies.com/emissions/au-fil-des-pages/newton-a-t-il-plagie-pascal 
> >> 
> > Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always read Dr. Hachel. 
> > I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from France since 
> > French Fries.
> French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that 
> name thought that Brussels was in France. If their successors had 
> realized they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename 
> them Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure 
> in Iraq. Even people (like me) who weren't keen on Chirac in general 
> were overwhelmingly on his side on that issue.
Yeah, you love them arabs. Made it crystal clear. Especially the much maligned palis. 

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#618304

Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:00:14?AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
[-]
> > Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always
> > >read Dr. Hachel. I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from
> > >France since French Fries.
> > French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that
> > name thought that Brussels was in France. If their successors had 
> > realized they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename
> > them Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure
> > in Iraq. Even people (like me) who weren't keen on Chirac in general
> > were overwhelmingly on his side on that issue.
> Yeah, you love them arabs. Made it crystal clear. Especially the much
> maligned palis.
> 
Not everybody wants to be a partner in war crimes,
(if only Tony Blair had had some more good sense)

Or even just plain dumb. like Dubya,

Jan

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#618315

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:35:04 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:00:14?AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> [-]
> > > Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always 
> > > >read Dr. Hachel. I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from 
> > > >France since French Fries. 
> > > French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that 
> > > name thought that Brussels was in France. If their successors had 
> > > realized they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename 
> > > them Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure 
> > > in Iraq. Even people (like me) who weren't keen on Chirac in general 
> > > were overwhelmingly on his side on that issue. 
> > Yeah, you love them arabs. Made it crystal clear. Especially the much 
> > maligned palis. 
> >
> Not everybody wants to be a partner in war crimes, 
> (if only Tony Blair had had some more good sense) 
> 
> Or even just plain dumb. like Dubya, 
> 
> Jan
You virtue-signaling progressives never mention the muslim-government sanctioned/sponsored war crimes: burning a capture pilot alive in a suspended cage or beheading 20 prisoners with their hands behind their backs on a beach.  Including China, Muslimdom and India, there are 1,000 times more documented martyrs in the last 50 year than in the entire 1.5 millennia before John Foxe wrote the book of Martyrs.

Yes Dubya was a dolt and a swamp creature, as was his dad; but not even appropriating the imbecility of Joe.  But here's the thing: they both amassed fortunes in the hundreds of millions of dollars on the equivalent of a doctor's salary.  Bill & Barack too.  The same salary that Trump took not a damned dime of.

Now Joe is your problem too.  And Trump is your solution, the same as us. Just wait until my road trip memoire tells of the backpack nukes on display at the Richland Museum.  The same ones the Wagner Group is reputed to have purloined. 

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#618388

Le 19/08/2023 à 22:11, patdolan a écrit :
> You virtue-signaling progressives never mention the muslim-government 
> sanctioned/sponsored war crimes: burning a capture pilot alive in a suspended cage 
> or beheading 20 prisoners with their hands behind their backs on a beach.  
> Including China, Muslimdom and India, there are 1,000 times more documented 
> martyrs in the last 50 year than in the entire 1.5 millennia before John Foxe 
> wrote the book of Martyrs.
> 
> Yes Dubya was a dolt and a swamp creature, as was his dad; but not even 
> appropriating the imbecility of Joe.  But here's the thing: they both amassed 
> fortunes in the hundreds of millions of dollars on the equivalent of a doctor's 
> salary.  Bill & Barack too.  The same salary that Trump took not a damned dime of.
> 
> Now Joe is your problem too.  And Trump is your solution, the same as us. Just 
> wait until my road trip memoire tells of the backpack nukes on display at the 
> Richland Museum.  The same ones the Wagner Group is reputed to have purloined. 

It seems that Hachel is bad.

We would have caught the doctor eating fries.

R.H. 

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#618486

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:35:04 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:00:14?AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> [-]
> > > Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always 
> > > >read Dr. Hachel. I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from 
> > > >France since French Fries. 
> > > French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that 
> > > name thought that Brussels was in France. If their successors had 
> > > realized they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename 
> > > them Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure 
> > > in Iraq. Even people (like me) who weren't keen on Chirac in general 
> > > were overwhelmingly on his side on that issue. 
> > Yeah, you love them arabs. Made it crystal clear. Especially the much 
> > maligned palis. 
> >
> Not everybody wants to be a partner in war crimes, 
> (if only Tony Blair had had some more good sense) 
> 
You mean the crimes committed by Saddam against the Kurds? Or the crimes committed by Saddam against his own people?Or the crimes committed against the Kuweit people?  Which ones are you talking about? 

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#618283

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:00:14 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-19 16:44:24 +0000, patdolan said: 
> 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-7, Python wrote: 
> >> patdolan wrote:> > Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of 
> >> Blaise Pascal.> >> > Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity, 
> >> either yours or Einstein's? 
> >> Asking anything to Dr. Lengrand is only making sure to get a silly and> 
> >> stupid answer (and you got it). Whatever the subject is!>> Pascal may 
> >> have enjoyed to read Hachel/Lengrand psychotic rant, for> entertainment 
> >> value, you know? But he would also have considered> it for what it is: 
> >> a total messy nonsense produced by a backward> country doctor with a 
> >> huge narcissistic personality disorder in> addition to a disgusting 
> >> lack of Humanity (he enjoy that kids are> killed by the police, for 
> >> instance) and integrity (he publishes lie> upon lie).>> He would also 
> >> have had concerns on that such a charlatan is allowed> to practice 
> >> medicine in France.>> About Einstein Relativy, Blaise Pascal being a 
> >> brilliant geometer he> would have loved SR (and GR). He is one of the 
> >> founder, along with> Desargues and others, a marvelous kind of 
> >> geometry: Projective> Geometry. There, all pairs of lines intersect, 
> >> there is no kind of> distances between points (but there is a 
> >> topology), there you can> permute the word "lines" and "points" (as 
> >> well as "intersects" and "are> aligned") to produce true theorems from 
> >> others proven theorems (this is> called "Pascal's duality"), three 
> >> points on a plane have three> coordinates (called "homogeneous 
> >> coordinates"), etc.>> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_geometry>> 
> >> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9om%C3%A9trie_projective>> Pascal 
> >> would have loved to discover how this generalizes to complex> 
> >> coordinates, he would have loved also Minkowsky's geometry (something> 
> >> that our stupid doctor Hachel despises, while not understanding it,> as 
> >> usual) as it is basically a physical application of hyperbolic> 
> >> geometry. Conics everywhere! He would have loved that!>> But you are 
> >> already lost, aren't you Pat?>> Another fun fact about Pascal: during 
> >> the XIXth century a scammer> made up false letters "proving" that 
> >> Newton plagiarized Pascal. He> ended up convincing the mathematician 
> >> Chasles. This is especially> surprising when you look at their dates of 
> >> birth and death :> Pascal: 1623-1662, and Newton: 1642-1727!>> See:>> 
> >> https://www.jstor.org/stable/4028215>> 
> >> https://www.canalacademies.com/emissions/au-fil-des-pages/newton-a-t-il-plagie-pascal 
> >> 
> > Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always read Dr. Hachel. 
> > I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from France since 
> > French Fries.
> French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that 
> name thought that Brussels was in France. If their successors had 
> realized they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename 
> them Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure 
> in Iraq. Even people (like me) who weren't keen on Chirac in general 
> were overwhelmingly on his side on that issue.
> > I will have a look at your several interesting links. Mathematic is 
> > almost as wonderful a tool for composing fiction as English prose. As 
> > for his idiosyncrasies, they obviously point to his direct descent from 
> > the Emperor. 
> > Corollary to "every pair of lines intersect" -- the tangents to every 
> > pair of lines are parallel at some point.
> -- 
> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
Well then Athel, you are a Trump man now, oui?  45 was against the Iraq invasion, as am I (now but not then).  Iraq was the DC deep state swamp at its filthiest.  When you see the poor legless, armless, faceless veterans (not to mention the dead ones) patriotic citizen soldiers who sacrificed so much just so both R and D swamp creatures could get hefty campaign contributions for the defense contractor, it now sickens me. 

And of course, Athel, you are a Trump man because of Ukraine, oui?  Trump prevented that war from happening during his first term and has promised to end it in the first 24 hours of his administration.  And Tump has never failed to keep a campaign promise.  Joe, Mitch and the Swamp are hellbent to escalate to nukes.  You are closer to ground zero than me.  When they hose your vaporize ashes off the ground, do you know what crooked Joe will say? Same response as Lahaina, "No comment"

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#618284

On 2023-08-19 17:17:48 +0000, patdolan said:

> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:00:14 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-08-19 16:44:24 +0000, patdolan said:>> > On Saturday, August 
>> 19, 2023 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-7, Python wrote:> >> patdolan wrote:> > 
>> Tomorrow is the 361st anniversary of the death of> >> Blaise Pascal.> 
>> >> > Dr. Hachel, would Pascal have accept relativity,> >> either yours 
>> or Einstein's?> >> Asking anything to Dr. Lengrand is only making sure 
>> to get a silly and>> >> stupid answer (and you got it). Whatever the 
>> subject is!>> Pascal may> >> have enjoyed to read Hachel/Lengrand 
>> psychotic rant, for> entertainment> >> value, you know? But he would 
>> also have considered> it for what it is:> >> a total messy nonsense 
>> produced by a backward> country doctor with a> >> huge narcissistic 
>> personality disorder in> addition to a disgusting> >> lack of Humanity 
>> (he enjoy that kids are> killed by the police, for> >> instance) and 
>> integrity (he publishes lie> upon lie).>> He would also> >> have had 
>> concerns on that such a charlatan is allowed> to practice> >> medicine 
>> in France.>> About Einstein Relativy, Blaise Pascal being a> >> 
>> brilliant geometer he> would have loved SR (and GR). He is one of the> 
>> >> founder, along with> Desargues and others, a marvelous kind of> >> 
>> geometry: Projective> Geometry. There, all pairs of lines intersect,> 
>> >> there is no kind of> distances between points (but there is a> >> 
>> topology), there you can> permute the word "lines" and "points" (as> >> 
>> well as "intersects" and "are> aligned") to produce true theorems from> 
>> >> others proven theorems (this is> called "Pascal's duality"), three> 
>> >> points on a plane have three> coordinates (called "homogeneous> >> 
>> coordinates"), etc.>>> >> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_geometry>>> >> 
>> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9om%C3%A9trie_projective>> Pascal> 
>> >> would have loved to discover how this generalizes to complex>> >> 
>> coordinates, he would have loved also Minkowsky's geometry (something>> 
>> >> that our stupid doctor Hachel despises, while not understanding it,> 
>> as> >> usual) as it is basically a physical application of hyperbolic>> 
>> >> geometry. Conics everywhere! He would have loved that!>> But you 
>> are> >> already lost, aren't you Pat?>> Another fun fact about Pascal: 
>> during> >> the XIXth century a scammer> made up false letters "proving" 
>> that> >> Newton plagiarized Pascal. He> ended up convincing the 
>> mathematician> >> Chasles. This is especially> surprising when you look 
>> at their dates of> >> birth and death :> Pascal: 1623-1662, and Newton: 
>> 1642-1727!>> See:>>> >> https://www.jstor.org/stable/4028215>>> >> 
>> https://www.canalacademies.com/emissions/au-fil-des-pages/newton-a-t-il-plagie-pascal> 
>> >>> > Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always read Dr. 
>> Hachel.> > I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from 
>> France since> > French Fries.
>> French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that> 
>> name thought that Brussels was in France. If their successors had> 
>> realized they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename> 
>> them Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's 
>> adventure> in Iraq. Even people (like me) who weren't keen on Chirac in 
>> general> were overwhelmingly on his side on that issue.
>>> I will have a look at your several interesting links. Mathematic is> > 
>>> almost as wonderful a tool for composing fiction as English prose. As> 
>>> > for his idiosyncrasies, they obviously point to his direct descent 
>>> from> > the Emperor.> > Corollary to "every pair of lines intersect" -- 
>>> the tangents to every> > pair of lines are parallel at some point.
>> --
>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> Well then Athel, you are a Trump man now, oui?

Golly. You're even crazier than I already realized. I won't bother to 
comment on the raving below.

>   45 was against the Iraq invasion, as am I (now but not then).  Iraq 
> was the DC deep state swamp at its filthiest.  When you see the poor 
> legless, armless, faceless veterans (not to mention the dead ones) 
> patriotic citizen soldiers who sacrificed so much just so both R and D 
> swamp creatures could get hefty campaign contributions for the defense 
> contractor, it now sickens me.
> And of course, Athel, you are a Trump man because of Ukraine, oui?  
> Trump prevented that war from happening during his first term and has 
> promised to end it in the first 24 hours of his administration.  And 
> Tump has never failed to keep a campaign promise.  Joe, Mitch and the 
> Swamp are hellbent to escalate to nukes.  You are closer to ground zero 
> than me.  When they hose your vaporize ashes off the ground, do you 
> know what crooked Joe will say? Same response as Lahaina, "No comment"


-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#618468

On 8/19/2023 1:00 PM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-19 16:44:24 +0000, patdolan said:
> 

>> Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always read Dr. Hachel. 
>> I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from France since 
>> French Fries.
> 
> French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that name 
> thought that Brussels was in France.

I think that was sarcasm. It's widely known in the US that "French 
Fries" aren't French, despite the name.

> If their successors had realized 
> they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename them 
> Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure in 
> Iraq.

That foolishness brought out the non-Frenchness of French Fries by those 
who sneered at that.

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#618476

Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 8/19/2023 1:00 PM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > On 2023-08-19 16:44:24 +0000, patdolan said:
> > 
> 
> >> Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always read Dr. Hachel.
> >> I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from France since
> >> French Fries.
> > 
> > French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that name
> > thought that Brussels was in France.
> 
> I think that was sarcasm. It's widely known in the US that "French 
> Fries" aren't French, despite the name.

Don't think so. They really were that dumb.
(but to be fair, the instigator felt quite embarrased,
 and apologised, afterwards)

> > If their successors had realized 
> > they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename them 
> > Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure in
> > Iraq.
> 
> That foolishness brought out the non-Frenchness of French Fries by those
> who sneered at that.

The fools also believed that 'croissants' are typically French.
The French replid with:
"Really, we sell them as  'Vienoiseries'",

Jan

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#618478

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:03:18 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
> 
> > On 8/19/2023 1:00 PM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> > > On 2023-08-19 16:44:24 +0000, patdolan said: 
> > > 
> > 
> > >> Python, in contrast to PAB, I will continue to always read Dr. Hachel. 
> > >> I find Dr. Hachel to be one of the finest exports from France since 
> > >> French Fries. 
> > > 
> > > French fries came from Belgium, but the Americans who invented that name 
> > > thought that Brussels was in France. 
> > 
> > I think that was sarcasm. It's widely known in the US that "French 
> > Fries" aren't French, despite the name.
> Don't think so. They really were that dumb. 
> (but to be fair, the instigator felt quite embarrased, 
> and apologised, afterwards)
> > > If their successors had realized 
> > > they weren't actually French they wouldn't have had to rename them 
> > > Freedom fries when Jacques Chirac refused to support W's adventure in 
> > > Iraq. 
> > 
> > That foolishness brought out the non-Frenchness of French Fries by those 
> > who sneered at that.
> The fools also believed that 'croissants' are typically French. 
> The French replid with: 
> "Really, we sell them as 'Vienoiseries'", 
> 
> Jan
And baguettes?  I don't want to know if they too are just another American invention like pizza, chow mien and St. Patrick's Day.

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#618659

{{{𝗩𝗼𝗹𝗻𝗲𝘆}}} wrote:

> I think that was sarcasm. It's widely known in the US that "French
> Fries" aren't French, despite the name.

but the true fact is that the stinking khazar {{{𝗦𝗺𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗸𝘆}}} 𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗲𝘀 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲
𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘆 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝘄𝗮𝗿 (in a Christian Orthodox country he wants to steal)
than the {{{𝐛𝐢𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐚}}} of america. Which is not acceptable by the
{{{𝐜𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲_𝘄𝗲𝘀𝘁}}}.

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