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  Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-03 19:00 +0200
    Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 11:01 -0700
    Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 18:22 -0700
      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-04 08:48 +0200
        Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-04 16:25 +0200
          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 15:28 -0700
            Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-05 05:27 +0200
              Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-05 09:27 +0200
                Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:59 +0200
                  Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-06 10:26 +0200
                    Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-06 10:48 +0200
                      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-07 12:18 +0200
                        Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-07 13:07 +0200
          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 00:28 -0700
            Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-08 19:48 +0200
              Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-08 20:40 +0200
              Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 13:44 -0700
                Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-09 09:23 +0200
                  Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-05-09 07:40 -0700
                    Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-10 20:15 +0200
                      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-05-10 13:35 -0700
                  Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 06:29 -0700
                    Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-11 21:03 +0200
                      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-12 00:22 +0200
                        Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-12 10:44 +0000
                          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-12 13:34 +0200
                            Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-12 20:23 +0000
                              Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-13 07:09 +0200
                      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 04:21 -0700
                        Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-13 09:33 +0200
                          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-13 09:47 +0200
                          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 09:55 -0700
                          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 11:03 -0700
                          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 12:50 -0700
                            Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-17 12:25 +0200
                              Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-17 13:37 +0200
                              Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 13:24 -0700
                                Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-18 21:01 +0200
                                  Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 14:02 -0700
                                    Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-19 12:20 +0200
                      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 04:22 -0700
                      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 04:26 -0700
                      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 12:22 -0700
                        Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-22 20:38 +0200
                          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-22 12:12 -0700
                          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 22:16 +0000
                          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 12:42 -0700
                            Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-24 18:13 +0200
                              Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 14:44 -0700
    Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 06:44 -0700
      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 07:08 -0700
        Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 07:18 -0700
        Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 09:40 -0700
          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-08 16:47 +0000
          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 10:52 -0700
    Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 07:16 -0700
    Re:Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-07 19:11 +0200
      Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-07 21:49 +0200
        Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-08 08:25 +0200
          Re: Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-25 19:29 +0200

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#457427 — Big-Bang George Lemaitre and his studies

Hi Ng

I have found something strange, that you certainly like:

Big-Bang-theory was invented by a Jesuit Priest in Belgium with the name 
George Lemaitre.

He studied at the catholic university in Leuven in Belgium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

He was born on 17 July 1894. With the age of 17 he finished his Jesuit 
school and went to Leuven, to study civil engineering.

This ended with august 1914, since German soldiers burnt down parts of 
the university in revenge for sniper attacks. The university was closed 
until 21th of January 1919.

In 1920 Lemaitre had not only finished his studies in Physics, to what 
he had switched in the meantime, but also received a PhD.

But were did he study, if the university was closed?

TH

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#457432

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:

> I have found something strange, that you certainly like: Big-Bang
> theory was invented by a Jesuit Priest in Belgium with the name 
> George Lemaitre.

This is nothing new.  Lemaitre is the ‘L’ in the LFRW metric which sometimes is referred to as the FRW metric.  That terminology depends on how much respect you have of the Church’s scientific conatributions.  <shrug>

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#457447

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 7:00:27 AM UTC-10, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Hi Ng
> 
> I have found something strange, that you certainly like:
> 
> Big-Bang-theory was invented by a Jesuit Priest in Belgium with the name 
> George Lemaitre.
> 
> He studied at the catholic university in Leuven in Belgium.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
> 
> He was born on 17 July 1894. With the age of 17 he finished his Jesuit 
> school and went to Leuven, to study civil engineering.
> 
> This ended with august 1914, since German soldiers burnt down parts of 
> the university in revenge for sniper attacks. The university was closed 
> until 21th of January 1919.
> 
> In 1920 Lemaitre had not only finished his studies in Physics, to what 
> he had switched in the meantime, but also received a PhD.
> 
> But were did he study, if the university was closed?
> 
> TH

After the war ended in 1918 he went back to Louvin and got a Doctorate in 1920.
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Lemaitre.html

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#457464

Am 04.05.2018 um 03:22 schrieb Alan Folmsbee:
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 7:00:27 AM UTC-10, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Hi Ng
>>
>> I have found something strange, that you certainly like:
>>
>> Big-Bang-theory was invented by a Jesuit Priest in Belgium with the name
>> George Lemaitre.
>>
>> He studied at the catholic university in Leuven in Belgium.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
>>
>> He was born on 17 July 1894. With the age of 17 he finished his Jesuit
>> school and went to Leuven, to study civil engineering.
>>
>> This ended with august 1914, since German soldiers burnt down parts of
>> the university in revenge for sniper attacks. The university was closed
>> until 21th of January 1919.
>>
>> In 1920 Lemaitre had not only finished his studies in Physics, to what
>> he had switched in the meantime, but also received a PhD.
>>
>> But were did he study, if the university was closed?
>>
>> TH
> 
> After the war ended in 1918 he went back to Louvin and got a Doctorate in 1920.
> http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Lemaitre.html
> 

The question is: TIME !!!

Since before WWI he studied engineering in Louvin (=Leuven) and after 
the war the university was still closed until January 1919.

So his entire studies in mathematics and physics could only have 
happened in the 10 1/2 remaining month of 1919 - if we reserve a few 
month in 1920, that he certainly needed to write his PhD thesis.


TH

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#457480

Am 04.05.2018 um 08:48 schrieb Thomas Heger:
>>
>> After the war ended in 1918 he went back to Louvin and got a Doctorate 
>> in 1920.
>> http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Lemaitre.html
>>


quote from above:

" However in 1914, while he was still an undergraduate, World War I 
broke out. He volunteered and served as an artillery officer in the 
Belgian army. He was decorated for bravery, receiving the Military 
Cross, but the dreadful carnage he had seen on the battlefields troubled 
him deeply and changed his life. After the war ended he returned to his 
university studies but his interests now moved away from engineering and 
towards mathematics. He graduated with the degree of Docteur en Sciences 
in mathematics in 1920 after submitting his thesis l'Approximation des 
fonctions de plusieurs variables réelles Ⓣ written under guidance from 
de la Vallée Poussin."

> The question is: TIME !!!
> 
> Since before WWI he studied engineering in Louvin (=Leuven) and after 
> the war the university was still closed until January 1919.
> 
> So his entire studies in mathematics and physics could only have 
> happened in the 10 1/2 remaining month of 1919 - if we reserve a few 
> month in 1920, that he certainly needed to write his PhD thesis.
> 

Since the university of Leuven reopened after WWI in January 1919, he 
could not have started with physics and mathematics earlier than that date.
One reason: he was a soldier in WWI and
second reason: the university was burnt down and subsequently closed

So he had only studied less than a year from start to finish and 
mastered both: mathematics and physics.

To make his career even more astonishing: he left with a doctorate of 
science (~> PhD) in 1920.

These stations of his life require lightning fast learning.

But actually I have never heard about anything similar anywhere else.



TH

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#457496

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 7:26:01 AM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 04.05.2018 um 08:48 schrieb Thomas Heger:

> So he had only studied less than a year from start to finish and 
> mastered both: mathematics and physics.

Yes, Lemaitre was not an orthodox Einstein dingleberry.  You do not need to graduate from the most prestigious university to understand GR, and you certainly do not need to go to college to understand GR.  You can certainly understand GR even if you are a Catholic priest.  <shrug>

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#457508

Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 7:26:01 AM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 04.05.2018 um 08:48 schrieb Thomas Heger:
> 
>> So he had only studied less than a year from start to finish and 
>> mastered both: mathematics and physics.
> 
> Yes, Lemaitre was not an orthodox Einstein dingleberry.  You do not need to graduate from the most prestigious university to understand GR, and you certainly do not need to go to college to understand GR.  You can certainly understand GR even if you are a Catholic priest.  <shrug>
> 

Even priests eventually become professors of physics, while
 posting to Usenet does not require even a high school.

His later scientific carrier was not based on being a priest, but
 on his skills.

A formal study pause does not mean no studying. Even Schwarzschild
 derived his GR equation solution on the WWI eastern front as an
 artillery officer.

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#457512

Am 05.05.2018 um 05:27 schrieb Libor Striz:

>>> So he had only studied less than a year from start to finish and
>>> mastered both: mathematics and physics.
>>
>> Yes, Lemaitre was not an orthodox Einstein dingleberry.  You do not need to graduate from the most prestigious university to understand GR, and you certainly do not need to go to college to understand GR.  You can certainly understand GR even if you are a Catholic priest.  <shrug>
>>
> 
> Even priests eventually become professors of physics, while
>   posting to Usenet does not require even a high school.
> 
> His later scientific carrier was not based on being a priest, but
>   on his skills.
> 
> A formal study pause does not mean no studying. Even Schwarzschild
>   derived his GR equation solution on the WWI eastern front as an
>   artillery officer.
> 
Sure.. but Schwarzschild studied before WWI and life in the trenches, 
but Lemaitre started his studies in 1919 and finished with a doctorate 
in 1920.

That cannot possibly be true.

TH

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#457516

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> Wrote in message:

>> 
> Sure.. but Schwarzschild studied before WWI and life in the trenches, 
> but Lemaitre started his studies in 1919 and finished with a doctorate 
> in 1920.
> 
> That cannot possibly be true.

Unless it could.

If fact, what is the point of the the thread ?

Did any of the thesis opponents or  his supervisors  in later 1920s
find his knowledge and skills inadequate?

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"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
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#457560

Am 05.05.2018 um 11:59 schrieb Libor Striz:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> Wrote in message:
> 
>>>
>> Sure.. but Schwarzschild studied before WWI and life in the trenches,
>> but Lemaitre started his studies in 1919 and finished with a doctorate
>> in 1920.
>>
>> That cannot possibly be true.
> 
> Unless it could.
> 
> If fact, what is the point of the the thread ?
> 
> Did any of the thesis opponents or  his supervisors  in later 1920s
> find his knowledge and skills inadequate?
> 


The 'buddy' of George Lemaitre was Edwin Hubble.

Some people claim, that Hubble was actually an Englishmen, since he 
spoke and behaved like one.

Since it would require authority of significant level to grant a 
doctorate to Lemaitre without some kind of study at Leuven, this same 
authority could have put Hubble at his telescope.

This would be something I would call 'coordinated scientific fake' and 
that would require a reason.

So eventually 'cosmic expansion' and 'big bang theory' is actually a 
disinformation project, designed to divert scientific attention from 
something else.


TH

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#457561

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> Wrote in message:
> Am 05.05.2018 um 11:59 schrieb Libor Striz:
>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> Wrote in message:
>> 
>>>>
>>> Sure.. but Schwarzschild studied before WWI and life in the trenches,
>>> but Lemaitre started his studies in 1919 and finished with a doctorate
>>> in 1920.
>>>
>>> That cannot possibly be true.
>> 
>> Unless it could.
>> 
>> If fact, what is the point of the the thread ?
>> 
>> Did any of the thesis opponents or  his supervisors  in later 1920s
>> find his knowledge and skills inadequate?
>> 
> 
> 
> The 'buddy' of George Lemaitre was Edwin Hubble.
> 
> Some people claim, that Hubble was actually an Englishmen, since he 
> spoke and behaved like one.
> 
> Since it would require authority of significant level to grant a 
> doctorate to Lemaitre without some kind of study at Leuven, this same 
> authority could have put Hubble at his telescope.
> 
> This would be something I would call 'coordinated scientific fake' and 
> that would require a reason.
> 
> So eventually 'cosmic expansion' and 'big bang theory' is actually a 
> disinformation project, designed to divert scientific attention from 
> something else.
> 

I would rather call it an unjustified,  highly speculative
 conspiracy hypothesis, ignoring the context of all his sciebtific
 carrier and work of other scientists since then, including
 evaluation of his work.

BTW, the question is if his doctorate  and PhD are the same thing,
 as  scientific degrees are variable across countries and time.
 E.g. I have the doctorate, but not PhD.

He studied polytechnic for cca 3 years before the war, as he was
 born in 1894 and started when he was 17.
That low age says something.

The doctorate thesis from 1920 was "Approximation of functions of
 several real variables",
so nothing directly connected to astrophysics.

-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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#457605

Am 06.05.2018 um 10:48 schrieb Libor Striz:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> Wrote in message:
>> Am 05.05.2018 um 11:59 schrieb Libor Striz:
>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Sure.. but Schwarzschild studied before WWI and life in the trenches,
>>>> but Lemaitre started his studies in 1919 and finished with a doctorate
>>>> in 1920.
>>>>
>>>> That cannot possibly be true.
>>>
>>> Unless it could.
>>>
>>> If fact, what is the point of the the thread ?
>>>
>>> Did any of the thesis opponents or  his supervisors  in later 1920s
>>> find his knowledge and skills inadequate?
>>>
>>
>>
>> The 'buddy' of George Lemaitre was Edwin Hubble.
>>
>> Some people claim, that Hubble was actually an Englishmen, since he
>> spoke and behaved like one.
>>
>> Since it would require authority of significant level to grant a
>> doctorate to Lemaitre without some kind of study at Leuven, this same
>> authority could have put Hubble at his telescope.
>>
>> This would be something I would call 'coordinated scientific fake' and
>> that would require a reason.
>>
>> So eventually 'cosmic expansion' and 'big bang theory' is actually a
>> disinformation project, designed to divert scientific attention from
>> something else.
>>
> 
> I would rather call it an unjustified,  highly speculative
>   conspiracy hypothesis, ignoring the context of all his sciebtific
>   carrier and work of other scientists since then, including
>   evaluation of his work.
> 

well, possibly he studied physics somewhere else and only his biography 
is a fraud.

But this would be sufficient to put everything else he had ever done or 
said under suspicion.

IOW: if he faked his PhD, this would spoil everything else.
Even worse would be, if some sort of authority helped him to fake his PhD.


> BTW, the question is if his doctorate  and PhD are the same thing,
>   as  scientific degrees are variable across countries and time.
>   E.g. I have the doctorate, but not PhD.
> 
> He studied polytechnic for cca 3 years before the war, as he was
>   born in 1894 and started when he was 17.
> That low age says something.
> 

We have the same pattern somewhere else: in the life of Wernher von Braun.

He started his career quite early and finished with a PhD at the age of 22.

Since I have attended the very same university (TU-Berlin now, formerly 
university of Charlottenburg), I can say, that is definitely impossible.

So his cv is a fraud, even if the papers are correct. Reason. Germany 
was occupied by the Americans and they could fake any paper the wanted.

Similar with Belgium after WWI, which was essentially an occupied 
country, too.

> The doctorate thesis from 1920 was "Approximation of functions of
>   several real variables",
> so nothing directly connected to astrophysics.
> 

Well, but he studied physics and mathematics in Leuven - allegedly. His 
doctorate is in mathematics, but had had also a degree in physics.

But were and when did he actually learn all of that???


TH

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#457606

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> Wrote in message:
> Am 06.05.2018 um 10:48 schrieb Libor Striz:
>
>> 

> 
> well, possibly he studied physics somewhere else and only his biography 
> is a fraud.

And possible only this suspicion.
How much effort you have really spent to verify assumptions?

> 
> IOW: if he faked his PhD, this would spoil everything else.

If...  You have not shown he did.

> Even worse would be, if some sort of authority helped him to fake his PhD.

Even if what you say we're true, you basically say the universe
 expansion  observed by many is true or false,
depending in if his thesis in 1920 were  proper or not.

Like if existence of satellites of Jupiter were dependent on if
 Galileo could or could see them by his device.

> 
> 
>> 

> We have the same pattern somewhere else: in the life of Wernher von Braun.
> 
> He started his career quite early and finished with a PhD at the age of 22.
> 
> Since I have attended the very same university (TU-Berlin now, formerly 
> university of Charlottenburg), I can say, that is definitely impossible.

Unless if it is possible.
Universities often use a special evaluation of students whose
 studies were interrupted by a war, and them may not pass all
 regular years, if the pass required exams.

I think you should spend your effort somewhere else.

> 
> So his cv is a fraud, even if the papers are correct. Reason.

You say so. It does not make it true.

 
>> The doctorate thesis from 1920 was "Approximation of functions of
>>   several real variables",
>> so nothing directly connected to astrophysics.
>> 
> 
> Well, but he studied physics and mathematics in Leuven - allegedly. His 
> doctorate is in mathematics, but had had also a degree in physics.
> 
> But were and when did he actually learn all of that???

You have skipped some simple reading, what is very surprising, 
considering your readiness  for severe accusation.

-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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#457658

@Thomas Heger
> But actually I have never heard about anything similar anywhere else.

Check out Stefan Banach's biography. Roughly Lemaitre's contemporary. That guy went straight from having spent zero years in formal mathematical education (he only had an unfinished engineering degree) to assistantship at a university. He was granted PhD the same year, habilitation within two years, and full professorship within four. And all that took this 'long' only because he famously couldn't be bothered with the requisite formalities.

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#457682

Am 08.05.2018 um 09:28 schrieb Adam Stefaniak:
> @Thomas Heger
>> But actually I have never heard about anything similar anywhere else.
> 
> Check out Stefan Banach's biography. Roughly Lemaitre's contemporary. That guy went straight from having spent zero years in formal mathematical education (he only had an unfinished engineering degree) to assistantship at a university. He was granted PhD the same year, habilitation within two years, and full professorship within four. And all that took this 'long' only because he famously couldn't be bothered with the requisite formalities.
> 


Learning takes time. Even a genius like Gauss or Riemann could not have 
made it that fast.

So, after all, it sounds, smells and tastes like fraud...


TH

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Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> Wrote in message:

> 
> Learning takes time. Even a genius like Gauss or Riemann could not have 
> made it that fast.
> 
> So, after all, it sounds, smells and tastes like fraud...

Unless you have verified he did not  and could not obtain his
 doctorate properly,
I smell, hear and taste a fixed 
idea and a side purpose.

Verification based on assumption does not count.

Contemporary teachers and supervisors checked him more thoroughly
 than you can.

For doctorate, all what is really needed is thesis of the
 doctorate quality, being for graduate doctorate or PhD doctorate,
 aside of eventual exam.

Do you really think he would be so stupid, if he had cheated, to
 claim he did it at the renown mathematician and think nobody
 would ever contact him for the feedback ?

-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

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@Thomas Heger
> 
> Learning takes time. Even a genius like Gauss or Riemann could not have 
> made it that fast.
> 
> So, after all, it sounds, smells and tastes like fraud...
> 
> 
> TH

What, Banach is a fraud now too? 

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Am 08.05.2018 um 22:44 schrieb Adam Stefaniak:

>> Learning takes time. Even a genius like Gauss or Riemann could not have
>> made it that fast.
>>
>> So, after all, it sounds, smells and tastes like fraud...
>>
>>
>> TH
> 
> What, Banach is a fraud now too?
> 

I don't know Banach and had no intention to claim he did anything 
fraudulent.

Even Lemaitre had eventually good intentions.

But there was seemingly some sort of power acting hidden behind the 
scene, which gave orders to Lemaitre and granted his doctorate and later 
career.

This power uses, seemingly, intentional scientific fraud as means for 
some kind of (unknown) purpose.


TH

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> But there was seemingly some sort of power acting hidden behind the 
> scene, which gave orders to Lemaitre and granted his doctorate and later 
> career.
> 
> This power uses, seemingly, intentional scientific fraud as means for 
> some kind of (unknown) purpose.
> 
> 
> TH

Honestly, that's the lamest conspiracy theory I've read on this boards so far.

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Am 09.05.2018 um 16:40 schrieb Adam Stefaniak:
>> But there was seemingly some sort of power acting hidden behind the
>> scene, which gave orders to Lemaitre and granted his doctorate and later
>> career.
>>
>> This power uses, seemingly, intentional scientific fraud as means for
>> some kind of (unknown) purpose.
>>
>>
>> TH
> 
> Honestly, that's the lamest conspiracy theory I've read on this boards so far.
> 

Well yes. But this is a forum about relativity, not about conspiracies.

I actually don't think, that 'conspiracy' would be necessary. It just 
took some kind of order from high in the hierarchy and Lemaitre got his 
doctorate.

But he was also a priest and wearing unjustified scientific titles is 
certainly not, what priests should do.

The reason to regard such a title as highly questionable is the following:

if academic titles are granted for other reasons than studying and 
scientific research,  than the titles earned for hard work by real 
scientists is devaluated by false titles.

So it is immoral to use a title usually awarded for academic work 
without such work.

That is like theft of something immaterial and that is something, what 
priests are not expected to do.

TH

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