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Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory
Date 2016-11-26 20:54 +0100
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Am 26.11.2016 13:19, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>>>>> Why don't you use the phrase "E-matrix"? :-)
>>>>
>>>> I used the term 'structured spacetime'.
>>>
>>> But why not E-matrix.  Or virtual particles?  You crackpots keep inventing
>>> new terms for old stuff.
>>>
>>>> The name is actually quite logic: I take the spacetime of GR and make
>>>> particles out of it.
>>>
>>> Like virtual particles, uj juh.
>>
>> My model is not based on particles. I assume the particle concept of QM
>> is mainly wrong.
>
> I agree.  Particles are actually strings with dimensions near the Planck
> length.
>
>> Reason and proof of concept: Growing Earth.
>
> There is no evidence for GE.


Let's put it this way: I spent some years on this question and you didn't.

So I am kind of expert 'Growing Earth studies' and could provide as much 
evidence as you like.

But this is a particular strange subject, since I could not convince any 
of the 'regulars' yet.

'Growing Earth' has a large crowd of supporters, of course, but this 
does not say, that mainstream physicists would agree.

So I'm kind of sick about defending GE.

But, if you insist, I'm certainly able to write something about it.



>> This is so  because the remains of the big bang are not supposed to come
>> into the Earth' interior, to build new matter.
>>
>> So: atoms are not composed from particles, but are 'one thing'.
>
> Refuted by experimental evidence, confirmed by none.  You would take
> science back to Ancient Greek times.

Not quite..

Actually the question 'what is a particle?' is not really solved.

Physicist can use them, measure them or even see them, but still do not 
know, what these things really are.

My approach is different and I assume, that nature must behave somehow 
logic and could only follow relative simple laws, which are endlessly 
repeated.

So you only need to find a few laws, which nature does in fact utilise 
and you can derive everything else (including particles).

So I have tested countless possibilities until I found these 
bi-quaternions, which behave quite well.

And from a few relatively simple assumptions I tried to replicate other 
observation (like e.g. atoms).

And as far as I can say, this does work.

>> I assume an entirely different mechanism, which builds timelike stable
>> patterns. And those are, what we call 'matter'.
>
> Yeah, like earth, air, fire and water.


No, I certainly do not use alchemy.

>> 'Particle' are certain aspects of such patterns, but not real, separate
>> entities.
>>
>>
>> A simple atom is a standing rotation wave and the outer rim is the
>> aspect of potential, hence 'negative' and 'charged'.
>>
>> The inner core is then kind of knot, from where the wave returns
>> outwards (is 'positive').
>>
>> So an atom is one single structure and there are no particles, but
>> certain patterns behave as if they were particles.
>
> Refuted by Ernest Rutherford in 1909:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford#Gold_foil_experiment


Proof is difficult in physics. Here we have an experiment and Rutherford 
gave an explanation for its results.

But this does not say, that his explanation are in fact true. They are 
just one possibility.


> “A wise person is full of questions.  A dull person is full of answers.”
> – Paulo Coelho
>
>>>> This would be a connection between GR and QM, since it puts both
>>>> concepts in a single framework.
>>>
>>> A VERY tenuous connection.  Virtually nonexistent.
>>
>> Well, atoms do exist. The question is: what is actually an atom?
>
> This has been answered in the last century.  Where have YOU been?


Se above: the interpretations could also be wrong. There is actually no 
guarantee, that former conclusions are correct, even if they are well 
accepted and consistent with other assumptions.


>> My assumption says, that spacetime of GR could have internal structure,
>> which behaves like real lasting entities.
>
> "Structure" implies PARTICLES, which YOU reject.  You are talking in
> circles and display your extreme ignorance.  You are an egregious
> crackpot.

No.

'Structures' are 'recognisable patterns', what does not say very much 
about their true nature.


...


TH

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