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Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory
Date 2016-12-01 08:21 +0100
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Am 01.12.2016 03:59, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>>>>>> I'm not at all against relativity. I only speak against SRT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you're being REALLY stupid.  SR>IS<    relativity.
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> YES!!!  GR reduces to SR in the absence of mass.  Didn't you get the
>>> memo?
>>
>> Yes. But what situation do you want to address with 'absence of mass'?
>
> Any situation where the mass doesn't change the predictions of SR.
> You are trying to obfuscate rather than enlighten.
>
>> Apparently you mean something like "flat, empty Newtonian space".
>> Right?
>
> Not necessarily.  Again, you are obfuscating.


Apparently not, since I asked you a question:

"... what situation do you want to address with 'absence of mass'?"

You can't hardly call that "obfuscating".

So, what is the meaning of 'absence of mass'?

Do we have a lot of scenarios, where there is no mass at all?



>> And I wrote, that 'space' is the impression we have from our certain
>> perspective of what Minkowski called 'spacetime'.
>>
>> IOW 'empty space' is not empty for all observers.
>>
>> I call this 'ones matter is the other ones radiation'.
>
> And that is pure baloney.


I would call that 'relativity' (or: E=m*c² if you prefer that).

'Energy' is a term that is used for process and somehow active systems 
like radiation, while the term 'mass' is more or less the opposite to 
dynamic.

Now the sign '=' means 'is equal'.

But if the energetic process is equal to an inert one, than where is 
this equality?

This could be achieved, if the axis of time is twisted and 'mass' 
translated into 'timelike stable' (or: inert).

If the axis of time points in an angle of 45°, the timelike stable 
pattern is 'light-like' (IOW is radiation).

Such process is of course know, but in the opposite direction:

the photo-electric effect.


This is: light (radiation) blocked by a metallic surface, what turns 
photons into electrons.

>> What we call 'space' is actually our own past light cone.
>
> More baloney.


No.

I use a comoving FoR for every possible observer. So EVERY observer is 
absolutely at rest (in its own FoR).

What he would see is actually his own past light cone (and NOTHING else).

If you think about it for a while, you will find, that the term 
'universe' is a perfect match to what is called 'past light cone'.

So: 'the universe' is not universal at all, but the local impression of 
something, we cannot observe directly.

This is because every observe observes a different universe, filled with 
different stars.

We humans see the same sky, because we belong to the same 'time domain', 
what makes human clocks tick at the same rate.

But this is not a necessity and we could assume clocks, that run into 
the opposite direction or universes with an axis of time in an angle.
...


TH

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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-30 23:42 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-01 05:04 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-01 05:47 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-02 05:14 +0100
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-03 07:03 +0100
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-03 04:02 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-03 19:56 +0100
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-06 01:20 +0100
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-06 22:12 +0100
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 15:22 -0600
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-07 06:21 +0100
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-06 22:23 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-07 11:40 -0800
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-07 18:08 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-07 18:20 -0800
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-08 08:49 +0100
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-08 23:06 +0100
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-08 14:45 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-08 15:02 -0800
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 13:05 -0600
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-12 17:55 -0800
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-13 05:20 -0800
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                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-12-13 21:34 +0000
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-13 13:55 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-28 21:45 -0800
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