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Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory

Started by"Edgar L. Owen" <edgar@edgarlowen.com>
First post2016-11-17 06:21 -0800
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  Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "Edgar L. Owen" <edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2016-11-17 06:21 -0800
    Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-17 12:23 -0800
    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Edwin Grünner <edwgr@menckensite.org> - 2016-11-17 20:59 +0000
      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-18 05:03 +0100
        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory kelleher.gerald@gmail.com - 2016-11-17 21:52 -0800
    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-19 06:32 +0100
      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-18 21:58 -0800
      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "Edgar L. Owen" <edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2016-11-19 08:51 -0800
        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-19 09:01 -0800
        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-19 09:13 -0800
          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-20 07:00 +0100
            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-20 06:08 -0800
              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-20 10:46 -0800
              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-20 20:44 +0100
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "Edgar L. Owen" <edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2016-11-20 15:01 -0800
                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-11-20 18:51 -0800
                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-21 06:18 +0100
                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-20 21:47 -0800
                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-20 19:52 -0800
                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-21 05:58 +0100
                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-20 21:36 -0800
                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-21 23:05 +0100
                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-21 16:12 -0800
                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-22 07:28 +0100
                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-21 22:58 -0800
                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-21 23:13 -0800
                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-22 05:17 -0800
                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-23 07:28 +0100
                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-23 04:17 -0800
                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-23 09:32 -0800
                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-23 21:51 +0100
                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-24 04:28 +0100
                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-23 20:17 -0800
                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-23 20:29 -0800
                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-23 20:42 -0800
                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-24 08:03 +0100
                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-24 08:22 -0800
                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-24 09:23 -0800
                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-24 09:24 -0800
                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-24 23:35 +0100
                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-24 15:37 -0800
                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-24 16:12 -0800
                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-26 06:55 +0100
                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-25 22:06 -0800
                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-26 04:19 -0800
                                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Marion Vanriper <Marion@Vanriper.info> - 2016-11-26 12:56 +0000
                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-26 06:57 -0800
                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Drew Kissel <ewlislrDsw@ewlislrDsw.ewl> - 2016-11-26 15:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 07:40 -0800
                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 07:48 -0800
                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Drew Kissel <ewlislrDsw@ewlislrDsw.ewl> - 2016-11-26 16:03 +0000
                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:11 -0800
                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:35 -0800
                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 08:40 -0800
                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Drew Kissel <ewlislrDsw@ewlislrDsw.ewl> - 2016-11-26 16:54 +0000
                                                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 09:03 -0800
                                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Drew Kissel <ewlislrDsw@ewlislrDsw.ewl> - 2016-11-26 17:16 +0000
                                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-26 20:54 +0100
                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-26 13:03 -0800
                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 15:49 -0800
                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-27 04:59 +0100
                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 20:08 -0800
                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-27 22:35 +0100
                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-27 13:46 -0800
                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-26 20:52 -0800
                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-26 21:05 -0800
                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-27 22:32 +0100
                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-27 13:40 -0800
                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-27 14:06 -0800
                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-27 14:12 -0800
                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-27 16:28 -0800
                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-28 05:07 +0100
                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-28 04:26 -0800
                                                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-29 05:19 +0100
                                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-28 21:21 -0800
                                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-30 02:50 +0100
                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-29 18:52 -0800
                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-30 08:30 +0100
                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-29 19:21 -0800
                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-30 08:21 +0100
                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-30 04:53 -0800
                                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-30 05:56 -0800
                                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-11-30 21:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-30 18:59 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-01 08:21 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-30 23:42 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-01 05:04 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-01 05:47 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-02 05:14 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-03 07:03 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-03 04:02 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-03 19:56 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-03 11:19 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-03 14:22 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-03 23:07 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Julian Alewine <lliian@lliianenpo.org> - 2016-12-03 22:36 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-04 03:19 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 14:38 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-06 08:30 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 08:10 -0600
                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 08:23 -0600
                                                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-06 01:20 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 06:40 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-06 22:12 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 15:22 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-07 06:21 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-06 22:23 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-07 11:40 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-07 11:43 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Chantell Dillingham <intlii@dtilnignii.org> - 2016-12-07 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-07 18:08 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-07 18:20 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-07 22:13 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-08 08:49 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 06:15 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-08 23:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-08 14:45 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-08 15:02 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-12-08 08:14 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 13:05 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-12-12 20:32 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 14:41 -0600
                                                                                                              Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-12-13 01:02 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-12 17:55 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-12-13 08:21 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-13 05:20 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-12-13 14:40 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-13 08:18 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-12-13 21:34 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-13 13:55 -0800
                                                                    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-28 21:45 -0800
                                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-03 07:17 +0100
                                                                      Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-06 08:57 +0100
    Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-08 12:46 +1100

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#399644

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-24 15:37 -0800
Message-ID<69a71757-b5f7-4d4e-b175-7c05cd27c294@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399643
Thomas Heger
Am 24.11.2016 17:22, schrieb Gary Harnagel: 

>>> LOOK at the word: nothing.  Separate it:  NO THING. 
>>> 
>>> You are engaging in intentional obfuscation.  Use a different word. 
>> 
>> OK, if you insist: I could use the (German) word 'Nichts'. 
> 
> Why don't you use the phrase "E-matrix"? :-) 


I used the term 'structured spacetime'. 

The name is actually quite logic: I take the spacetime of GR and make particles out of it. 

This would be a connection between GR and QM, since it puts both concepts in a single framework. 

http://i68.tinypic.com/xfn9rt.jpg

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#399647

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-24 16:12 -0800
Message-ID<53886e5f-05ee-4d0d-b31f-291c07ee547f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399643
On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 3:35:21 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 24.11.2016 17:22, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> >
> > > > LOOK at the word: nothing.  Separate it:  NO THING.
> > > >
> > > > You are engaging in intentional obfuscation.  Use a different word.
> > >
> > > OK, if you insist: I could use the (German) word 'Nichts'.
> >
> > Why don't you use the phrase "E-matrix"? :-)
> 
> I used the term 'structured spacetime'.

But why not E-matrix.  Or virtual particles?  You crackpots keep inventing
new terms for old stuff.

> The name is actually quite logic: I take the spacetime of GR and make 
> particles out of it.

Like virtual particles, uj juh.

> This would be a connection between GR and QM, since it puts both 
> concepts in a single framework.

A VERY tenuous connection.  Virtually nonexistent.

> Now you may rightfully complain, that nature does not behave in this way 
> (if you are able to justify your claims).
> 
> But you cannot possibly complain about the name.
> 
> 'e-matrix' does not sound very instructive to me.

Neither does "structured spacetime."

> So I could use the word 'mumble' as name instead.

Why make up new names at all?

> > > > I don't believe in empty space and I have physical evidence to back
> > > > it up.  You, OTOH, have nothing but drivel.  I have my own "theory
> > > > of reality" which is based on solid theories by real physicists, but
> > > > I'm not so arrogant that I go around writing irrational nonsense
> > > > like you do.
> > >
> > > I would not say, I have 'nothing but drivel'. Instead I have written
> > > this 'book':
> > > https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6
> >
> > “Your manuscript is both good and original.  However, that which is good
> > is not original, and that which is original is not good.” -- Samuel Johnson
> 
> 
> Could you ask Mr. Johnson, which part he does not like and why.

It's self-explanatory to a casual observer.

“Relativity and quantum mechanics were not invented because someone
thought it would be a good idea for the universe to obey these rules;
rather, these revolutionary ideas were forced upon us by nature.”
-- Lawrence M. Krauss

YOUR ideas weren't forced upon you, so that is a strong point against them.
What is the reason for you eschewing the accepted dogma?  If you can't give
a rational reason, you have no justification.

> > > The aim of my 'book' was not to replace quantum mechanics, but to show a
> > > connection between GR and QM.
> >
> > It's been done, and by people far brighter than you.
> 
> Well, there are taller people, too. And there are people, that are able 
> to run faster or climb faster on trees.
> 
> But what has this to do here?

“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like
administering medicine to the dead.” – Thomas Paine

> > > So I needed a way to make matter 'relative'. This means: 'dependent on
> > > the frame of reference'.
> > >
> > > So matter in one FoR is not matter in other FoRs.
> > >
> > > To make this possible I use spacetime as kind of background and let the
> > > 'constituents of spacetime' (=pointlike elements) interact like
> > > quaternions are multiplied.
> > >
> > > What these 'elements' really are is excluded from my research.
> >
> > How convenient.
> 
> I suggest you research the question.

I did.  They are virtual particles or they are nothing.

> Possibly you utilize the 'e-matrix' 
> and build a research team with Ken Seto.
> 
> ...
> 
> TH

Bite your tongue, slithy tove.

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#399742

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-11-26 06:55 +0100
Message-ID<e9smdtFpoi9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#399647
Am 25.11.2016 01:12, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>>> Why don't you use the phrase "E-matrix"? :-)
>>
>> I used the term 'structured spacetime'.
>
> But why not E-matrix.  Or virtual particles?  You crackpots keep inventing
> new terms for old stuff.
>
>> The name is actually quite logic: I take the spacetime of GR and make
>> particles out of it.
>
> Like virtual particles, uj juh.

My model is not based on particles. I assume the particle concept of QM 
is mainly wrong.

Reason and proof of concept: Growing Earth.

This is so  because the remains of the big bang are not supposed to come 
into the Earth' interior, to build new matter.

So: atoms are not composed from particles, but are 'one thing'.

I assume an entirely different mechanism, which builds timelike stable 
patterns. And those are, what we call 'matter'.

'Particle' are certain aspects of such patterns, but not real, separate 
entities.


A simple atom is a standing rotation wave and the outer rim is the 
aspect of potential, hence 'negative' and 'charged'.

The inner core is then kind of knot, from where the wave returns 
outwards (is 'positive').

So an atom is one single structure and there are no particles, but 
certain patterns behave as if they were particles.




>> This would be a connection between GR and QM, since it puts both
>> concepts in a single framework.
>
> A VERY tenuous connection.  Virtually nonexistent.

Well, atoms do exist. The question is: what is actually an atom?

My assumption says, that spacetime of GR could have internal structure, 
which behaves like real lasting entities.

These structures are 'timelike stable'. This means: under a certain 
perspective they are real and lasting, but under other possible 
perspectives not.

So matter in one FoR looks like radiation, if the axis of time is set 
into an angle.

Or rays could be stopped and turn into charge again.

It should also be possible to create matter out of nothing, what would 
allow 'Growing Earth'.

To prove Growing Earth I have spent a LOT of time. And actually I think, 
the Earth does in fact grow.



>> Now you may rightfully complain, that nature does not behave in this way
>> (if you are able to justify your claims).
>>
>> But you cannot possibly complain about the name.
>>
>> 'e-matrix' does not sound very instructive to me.
>
> Neither does "structured spacetime."


Well, it is MY concept and therefore I am obliged to explain the idea.

But actually I did and have created a very instructive presentation, 
which clearly states, how this concept works.

So I try to defend the idea and you may rightfully reject it.

>> So I could use the word 'mumble' as name instead.
>
> Why make up new names at all?

Those names are certainly not the final word. My 'book' was actually a 
collection of separate pages, which contained different ideas. To name 
these concepts I invented names, which sounded useful for me.

This was legal, since somehow these pages were sketches of something, 
which should come later and then would bear proper names.

But in fact I like these names I have invented. And I do not work on the 
'book' any more. (I guess my last changes were in 2009.)

So I leave it like it is, what includes these names.



>>>>> I don't believe in empty space and I have physical evidence to back
>>>>> it up.  You, OTOH, have nothing but drivel.  I have my own "theory
>>>>> of reality" which is based on solid theories by real physicists, but
>>>>> I'm not so arrogant that I go around writing irrational nonsense
>>>>> like you do.
>>>>
>>>> I would not say, I have 'nothing but drivel'. Instead I have written
>>>> this 'book':
>>>> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6
>>>
>>> “Your manuscript is both good and original.  However, that which is good
>>> is not original, and that which is original is not good.” -- Samuel Johnson
>>
>>
>> Could you ask Mr. Johnson, which part he does not like and why.
>
> It's self-explanatory to a casual observer.

This is not a particular 'strong' argument.

Doen't you have something specific to criticize ?


TH

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#399744

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-25 22:06 -0800
Message-ID<218426c3-c3ee-48c0-b88c-f3ed15ee892c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399742
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 11:55:13 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:


https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a5M55sV0mLvRb8bVP7V3YZLWbkiVrwCcN6oD7v58ips/edit?usp=sharing

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#399762

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-26 04:19 -0800
Message-ID<739fd53d-1d89-4767-b490-3b970278001a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399742
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 10:55:13 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 25.11.2016 01:12, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> >
> > > > Why don't you use the phrase "E-matrix"? :-)
> > >
> > > I used the term 'structured spacetime'.
> >
> > But why not E-matrix.  Or virtual particles?  You crackpots keep inventing
> > new terms for old stuff.
> >
> > > The name is actually quite logic: I take the spacetime of GR and make
> > > particles out of it.
> >
> > Like virtual particles, uj juh.
> 
> My model is not based on particles. I assume the particle concept of QM 
> is mainly wrong.

I agree.  Particles are actually strings with dimensions near the Planck
length.

> Reason and proof of concept: Growing Earth.

There is no evidence for GE.

> This is so  because the remains of the big bang are not supposed to come 
> into the Earth' interior, to build new matter.
> 
> So: atoms are not composed from particles, but are 'one thing'.

Refuted by experimental evidence, confirmed by none.  You would take
science back to Ancient Greek times.

> I assume an entirely different mechanism, which builds timelike stable 
> patterns. And those are, what we call 'matter'.

Yeah, like earth, air, fire and water.

> 'Particle' are certain aspects of such patterns, but not real, separate 
> entities.
> 
> 
> A simple atom is a standing rotation wave and the outer rim is the 
> aspect of potential, hence 'negative' and 'charged'.
> 
> The inner core is then kind of knot, from where the wave returns 
> outwards (is 'positive').
> 
> So an atom is one single structure and there are no particles, but 
> certain patterns behave as if they were particles.

Refuted by Ernest Rutherford in 1909:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford#Gold_foil_experiment

“A wise person is full of questions.  A dull person is full of answers.”
– Paulo Coelho

> > > This would be a connection between GR and QM, since it puts both
> > > concepts in a single framework.
> >
> > A VERY tenuous connection.  Virtually nonexistent.
> 
> Well, atoms do exist. The question is: what is actually an atom?

This has been answered in the last century.  Where have YOU been?

> My assumption says, that spacetime of GR could have internal structure, 
> which behaves like real lasting entities.

"Structure" implies PARTICLES, which YOU reject.  You are talking in
circles and display your extreme ignorance.  You are an egregious
crackpot.

"You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed
opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." — Harlan Ellison

> These structures are 'timelike stable'. This means: under a certain 
> perspective they are real and lasting, but under other possible 
> perspectives not.
> 
> So matter in one FoR looks like radiation, if the axis of time is set 
> into an angle.
> 
> Or rays could be stopped and turn into charge again.
> 
> It should also be possible to create matter out of nothing, what would 
> allow 'Growing Earth'.
> 
> To prove Growing Earth I have spent a LOT of time. And actually I think, 
> the Earth does in fact grow.

Sure it does ... minutely ... due to meteorites.  Your opinions are
complete baloney.

> > > Now you may rightfully complain, that nature does not behave in this way
> > > (if you are able to justify your claims).
> > >
> > > But you cannot possibly complain about the name.
> > >
> >> 'e-matrix' does not sound very instructive to me.
> >
> > Neither does "structured spacetime."
> 
> 
> Well, it is MY concept and therefore I am obliged to explain the idea.

Please DON'T!

"He is not only dull himself; he is the cause of dullness in others."
 -- Samuel Johnson

> But actually I did and have created a very instructive presentation, 
> which clearly states, how this concept works.

“Your manuscript is both good and original.  However, that which is good
is not original, and that which is original is not good.” -- Samuel Johnson

> So I try to defend the idea and you may rightfully reject it.

I do.

> > > So I could use the word 'mumble' as name instead.
> >
> > Why make up new names at all?
> 
> Those names are certainly not the final word. My 'book' was actually a 
> collection of separate pages, which contained different ideas. To name 
> these concepts I invented names, which sounded useful for me.
> 
> This was legal, since somehow these pages were sketches of something, 
> which should come later and then would bear proper names.
> 
> But in fact I like these names I have invented. And I do not work on the 
> 'book' any more. (I guess my last changes were in 2009.)
> 
> So I leave it like it is, what includes these names.
> 
> > > > > > I don't believe in empty space and I have physical evidence to back
> > > > > > it up.  You, OTOH, have nothing but drivel.  I have my own "theory
> > > > > > of reality" which is based on solid theories by real physicists, but
> > > > > > I'm not so arrogant that I go around writing irrational nonsense
> > > > > > like you do.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would not say, I have 'nothing but drivel'. Instead I have written
> > > > > this 'book':
> > > > > https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6
> > > >
> > > > “Your manuscript is both good and original.  However, that which is
> > > > good is not original, and that which is original is not good.”
> > > > -- Samuel Johnson
> > >
> > >
> > > Could you ask Mr. Johnson, which part he does not like and why.
> >
> > It's self-explanatory to a casual observer.
> 
> This is not a particular 'strong' argument.

It's not an argument, it's a fact.

> Doen't you have something specific to criticize ?
> 
> 
> TH

(1) Atoms aren't "one thing" but are composed of particles.
(2) You can't turn e/m radiation into matter or matter into radiation
simply by changing FoR.
(3) There is NO evidence for your concept of GE, despite your regurgitation
on the claim
(4) "Structured spacetime" is an empty buzzword.
(5) Your "book" is full of nonsense that is refuted by copious experimental
evidence and confirmed by ... nothing at all.
(6) You have a very high score on the crackpot index.

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#399765

FromMarion Vanriper <Marion@Vanriper.info>
Date2016-11-26 12:56 +0000
Message-ID<o1c0ov$16gc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#399762
Gary Harnagel wrote:

>> My model is not based on particles. I assume the particle concept of QM
>> is mainly wrong.
> 
> I agree.  Particles are actually strings with dimensions near the Planck
> length

Impossible. What frequency will those string be dominated at? Or they are 
not strings. See, I just demolished your theory with very few words. Try 
again later on.

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#399767

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-26 06:57 -0800
Message-ID<654c072e-c9a3-4a39-98a8-30f86c4a864d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399765
On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 5:56:02 AM UTC-7, Marion Vanriper wrote:
>
> Gary Harnagel wrote:
> >
> > > My model is not based on particles. I assume the particle concept of QM
> > > is mainly wrong.
> > 
> > I agree.  Particles are actually strings with dimensions near the Planck
> > length
> 
> Impossible. What frequency will those string be dominated at? Or they are 
> not strings. See, I just demolished your theory with very few words. Try 
> again later on.

You only demolished the theory that you had a brain, abysmally-ignorant
'nym-shifting troll.

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#399771

FromDrew Kissel <ewlislrDsw@ewlislrDsw.ewl>
Date2016-11-26 15:30 +0000
Message-ID<o1c9q4$1jl1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#399767
Gary Harnagel wrote:

> On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 5:56:02 AM UTC-7, Marion Vanriper
> wrote:
>>
>> Gary Harnagel wrote:
>> >
>> > > My model is not based on particles. I assume the particle concept
>> > > of QM is mainly wrong.
>> > 
>> > I agree.  Particles are actually strings with dimensions near the
>> > Planck length
>> 
>> Impossible. What frequency will those string be dominated at? Or they
>> are not strings. See, I just demolished your theory with very few
>> words. Try again later on.
> 
> You only demolished the theory that you had a brain, abysmally-ignorant
> 'nym-shifting troll.

Increasingly wrong. A string describes by its ability to vibrate. No 
vibration, no string. Call it something else, a rock, a bar etc. Why 
calling it a string when you is NOT a string. Give me a break. You are 
just cut&paste obscenities.

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#399772

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-26 07:40 -0800
Message-ID<68d053cd-0019-484b-aba5-006f2e944ebe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399771
Increasingly wrong. A string describes by its ability to vibrate. No 
vibration, no string. Call it something else, a rock, a bar etc. Why 
calling it a string when you is NOT a string. Give me a break. You are 
just cut&paste obscenities. 

No ..... an octahedral Tessellation of strings with the vertices as nodes & anti-nodes works well when bulk Modulus & wave speed. 

This can be directly converted to wave speed in a solid medium of spherical shells in a face centered cubic lattice. 

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#399775

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-26 07:48 -0800
Message-ID<3c6e0be7-0a59-4c3e-bf49-cfcf1f7e6efe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399772
Increasingly wrong. A string describes by its ability to vibrate. No 
vibration, no string. Call it something else, a rock, a bar etc. Why 
calling it a string when you is NOT a string. Give me a break. You are 
just cut&paste obscenities. 

No ..... an truncated octahedral Tessellation of strings with the vertices as nodes & anti-nodes works well with bulk Modulus & wave speed. 

This can be directly converted to wave speed in a solid medium of spherical shells in a face centered cubic lattice. 

http://i68.tinypic.com/xfn9rt.jpg

Flat Torus * (1/Flat Torus) = 1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_embedding_theorem

The Nash embedding theorems (or imbedding theorems), named after John Forbes Nash, state that every Riemannian manifold can be isometrically embedded into some Euclidean space. Isometric means preserving the length of every path. For instance, bending without stretching or tearing a page of paper gives an isometric embedding of the page into Euclidean space because curves drawn on the page retain the same arclength however the page is bent.

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#399780

FromDrew Kissel <ewlislrDsw@ewlislrDsw.ewl>
Date2016-11-26 16:03 +0000
Message-ID<o1cbot$1o52$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#399772
David (Lord Kronos) Fuller wrote:

> Increasingly wrong. A string describes by its ability to vibrate. No
> vibration, no string. Call it something else, a rock, a bar etc. Why
> calling it a string when you is NOT a string. Give me a break. You are
> just cut&paste obscenities.
> 
> No ..... an octahedral Tessellation of strings with the vertices as
> nodes & anti-nodes works well when bulk Modulus & wave speed.
> 
> This can be directly converted to wave speed in a solid medium of
> spherical shells in a face centered cubic lattice.

try to quote properly. You are not going to, similar Gary, call a cube for 
being a string. Are you?

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#399785

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-26 08:11 -0800
Message-ID<04bb3a75-662e-46c3-a60a-e8047e599a7a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399780
10:03 AMDrew Kissel
David (Lord Kronos) Fuller wrote: 

- hide quoted text -
> Increasingly wrong. A string describes by its ability to vibrate. No 
> vibration, no string. Call it something else, a rock, a bar etc. Why 
> calling it a string when you is NOT a string. Give me a break. You are 
> just cut&paste obscenities. 
> 
> No ..... an octahedral Tessellation of strings with the vertices as 
> nodes & anti-nodes works well when bulk Modulus & wave speed. 
> 
> This can be directly converted to wave speed in a solid medium of 
> spherical shells in a face centered cubic lattice. 

try to quote properly. You are not going to, similar Gary, call a cube for 
being a string. Are you? 

Hey Jack Ass 
I do pretty damn good quoting while using a crappy iPhone 4
Stay on task, and stop obfuscating with your thought terminating cliches 

1 / (c / (((2 * pi) / 157) / 2)) = 6.67466568e-11

Flat Torus 

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#399798

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-26 08:35 -0800
Message-ID<d8751ba0-860d-40e1-b5c6-6965b6290c69@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399785
Drew (nymshyftingtroll) Kissel wrote:
David (Lord Kronos) Fuller wrote: 

Hey Jack Ass 
I do pretty damn good quoting while using a crappy iPhone 4 
Stay on task, and stop obfuscating with your thought terminating cliches 

1 / (c / (((2 * pi) / 157) / 2)) = 6.67466568e-11 

Flat Torus 

1 / (3e+8 / (((4 * 1.57) / 157) / 2)) = 6.6666667e-11

Which falls right back onto the bulk modulus/ wave speed formulas 

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#399802

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-26 08:40 -0800
Message-ID<6be6220c-1e0e-4a51-a0f1-33aa509eb782@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399798
Drew (nymshyftingtroll) Kissel wrote: 
David (Lord Kronos) Fuller wrote: 

Hey Jack Ass 
I do pretty damn good quoting while using a crappy iPhone 4 
Stay on task, and stop obfuscating with your thought terminating cliches 

1 / (c / (((2 * pi) / 157) / 2)) = 6.67466568e-11 

Flat Torus 

1 / (3e+8 / (((4 * 1.57) / 157) / 2)) = 6.6666667e-11 

Which falls right back onto the bulk modulus/ wave speed formulas 

3e+8 * ((2^3) * 157 * 1e-9) = 376.8

(3e+8 * ((2^3) * 157 * 1e-9)) / 376.730313462 = 1.00018497725

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#399809

FromDrew Kissel <ewlislrDsw@ewlislrDsw.ewl>
Date2016-11-26 16:54 +0000
Message-ID<o1ceo5$1ta0$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#399798
David (Lord Kronos) Fuller wrote:

> Hey Jack Ass I do pretty damn good quoting while using a crappy iPhone 4
> Stay on task, and stop obfuscating with your thought terminating cliches

Hey lying bitch, it says User-Agent: G2/1.0, which is google. But you are 
right, nobody give a shit on what you do. Although a few would probably 
give.

Stop that shit, I beg you to reconsider.

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#399813

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-26 09:03 -0800
Message-ID<eb1647da-b4ca-4286-add3-211ff27739be@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399809
Drew (nymshyftertroll) Kissel
David (Lord Kronos) Fuller wrote: 

> Hey Jack Ass I do pretty damn good quoting while using a crappy iPhone 4 
> Stay on task, and stop obfuscating with your thought terminating cliches 

Hey lying bitch, it says User-Agent: G2/1.0, which is google. 

Gee .... you are Dumb

Yes I post utilizing an IPhone 4 through GOOGLE GROUPS
Because the search algorithm works well

But that is "off task" 

 

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#399815

FromDrew Kissel <ewlislrDsw@ewlislrDsw.ewl>
Date2016-11-26 17:16 +0000
Message-ID<o1cg1c$1v72$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#399813
David (Lord Kronos) Fuller wrote:

> Drew (nymshyftertroll) Kissel David (Lord Kronos) Fuller wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jack Ass I do pretty damn good quoting while using a crappy iPhone
>> 4 Stay on task, and stop obfuscating with your thought terminating
>> cliches
> 
> Hey lying bitch, it says User-Agent: G2/1.0, which is google.
> 
> Gee .... you are Dumb

Yo mamma.

> Yes I post utilizing an IPhone 4 through GOOGLE GROUPS Because the
> search algorithm works well But that is "off task"

Then make google quote properly, dumb ass. Like everybody else. But stop 
posting anything. You have no reason to do that. Always remember, you are 
stupid. Be that somewhere else, ie alt.home.lawn.garden and similar.

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#399832

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-11-26 20:54 +0100
Message-ID<e9u7kiF6kchU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#399762
Am 26.11.2016 13:19, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>>>>> Why don't you use the phrase "E-matrix"? :-)
>>>>
>>>> I used the term 'structured spacetime'.
>>>
>>> But why not E-matrix.  Or virtual particles?  You crackpots keep inventing
>>> new terms for old stuff.
>>>
>>>> The name is actually quite logic: I take the spacetime of GR and make
>>>> particles out of it.
>>>
>>> Like virtual particles, uj juh.
>>
>> My model is not based on particles. I assume the particle concept of QM
>> is mainly wrong.
>
> I agree.  Particles are actually strings with dimensions near the Planck
> length.
>
>> Reason and proof of concept: Growing Earth.
>
> There is no evidence for GE.


Let's put it this way: I spent some years on this question and you didn't.

So I am kind of expert 'Growing Earth studies' and could provide as much 
evidence as you like.

But this is a particular strange subject, since I could not convince any 
of the 'regulars' yet.

'Growing Earth' has a large crowd of supporters, of course, but this 
does not say, that mainstream physicists would agree.

So I'm kind of sick about defending GE.

But, if you insist, I'm certainly able to write something about it.



>> This is so  because the remains of the big bang are not supposed to come
>> into the Earth' interior, to build new matter.
>>
>> So: atoms are not composed from particles, but are 'one thing'.
>
> Refuted by experimental evidence, confirmed by none.  You would take
> science back to Ancient Greek times.

Not quite..

Actually the question 'what is a particle?' is not really solved.

Physicist can use them, measure them or even see them, but still do not 
know, what these things really are.

My approach is different and I assume, that nature must behave somehow 
logic and could only follow relative simple laws, which are endlessly 
repeated.

So you only need to find a few laws, which nature does in fact utilise 
and you can derive everything else (including particles).

So I have tested countless possibilities until I found these 
bi-quaternions, which behave quite well.

And from a few relatively simple assumptions I tried to replicate other 
observation (like e.g. atoms).

And as far as I can say, this does work.

>> I assume an entirely different mechanism, which builds timelike stable
>> patterns. And those are, what we call 'matter'.
>
> Yeah, like earth, air, fire and water.


No, I certainly do not use alchemy.

>> 'Particle' are certain aspects of such patterns, but not real, separate
>> entities.
>>
>>
>> A simple atom is a standing rotation wave and the outer rim is the
>> aspect of potential, hence 'negative' and 'charged'.
>>
>> The inner core is then kind of knot, from where the wave returns
>> outwards (is 'positive').
>>
>> So an atom is one single structure and there are no particles, but
>> certain patterns behave as if they were particles.
>
> Refuted by Ernest Rutherford in 1909:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford#Gold_foil_experiment


Proof is difficult in physics. Here we have an experiment and Rutherford 
gave an explanation for its results.

But this does not say, that his explanation are in fact true. They are 
just one possibility.


> “A wise person is full of questions.  A dull person is full of answers.”
> – Paulo Coelho
>
>>>> This would be a connection between GR and QM, since it puts both
>>>> concepts in a single framework.
>>>
>>> A VERY tenuous connection.  Virtually nonexistent.
>>
>> Well, atoms do exist. The question is: what is actually an atom?
>
> This has been answered in the last century.  Where have YOU been?


Se above: the interpretations could also be wrong. There is actually no 
guarantee, that former conclusions are correct, even if they are well 
accepted and consistent with other assumptions.


>> My assumption says, that spacetime of GR could have internal structure,
>> which behaves like real lasting entities.
>
> "Structure" implies PARTICLES, which YOU reject.  You are talking in
> circles and display your extreme ignorance.  You are an egregious
> crackpot.

No.

'Structures' are 'recognisable patterns', what does not say very much 
about their true nature.


...


TH

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#399843

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-26 13:03 -0800
Message-ID<945db77d-d659-4218-a3b4-ea9691800cd1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399832
On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 12:55:02 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 26.11.2016 13:19, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> >
> > > My model is not based on particles. I assume the particle concept of QM
> > > is mainly wrong.
> >
> > I agree.  Particles are actually strings with dimensions near the Planck
> > length.
> >
> > > Reason and proof of concept: Growing Earth.
> >
> > There is no evidence for GE.
> 
> Let's put it this way: I spent some years on this question and you didn't.

First, you haven't a clue how much time I have spent on the speculation,
and second,:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
"11. 10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how
long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked
on your own.)"

> So I am kind of expert 'Growing Earth studies' and could provide as much 
> evidence as you like.

 But you never do.

> But this is a particular strange subject, since I could not convince any 
> of the 'regulars' yet.
> 
> 'Growing Earth' has a large crowd of supporters, of course, but this 
> does not say, that mainstream physicists would agree.

They don't.  And that large crowd is populated by crazy crackpots like you.

> So I'm kind of sick about defending GE.
> 
> But, if you insist, I'm certainly able to write something about it.

I've seen what you've written.  It is delusional nonsense.

> > > This is so  because the remains of the big bang are not supposed to come
> > > into the Earth' interior, to build new matter.
> > >
> > > So: atoms are not composed from particles, but are 'one thing'.
> >
> > Refuted by experimental evidence, confirmed by none.  You would take
> > science back to Ancient Greek times.
> 
> Not quite..
> 
> Actually the question 'what is a particle?' is not really solved.

Sure it is.

> Physicist can use them, measure them or even see them, but still do not 
> know, what these things really are.

More from the CpI:

"17. 10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory
predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn't explain "why" they occur, or
fails to provide a 'mechanism'."

> My approach is different and I assume, that nature must behave somehow 
> logic and could only follow relative simple laws, which are endlessly 
> repeated.
> 
> So you only need to find a few laws, which nature does in fact utilise 
> and you can derive everything else (including particles).

Yeah, string theory does that.

> So I have tested countless possibilities until I found these 
> bi-quaternions, which behave quite well.

That's just a mathematical approach, and there's more than one way to
skin a cat in mathematics.  After all, mathematics is basically just
addition.  Everything else follows from that.

> And from a few relatively simple assumptions I tried to replicate other 
> observation (like e.g. atoms).
> 
> And as far as I can say, this does work.

You speak falsely.

> > > I assume an entirely different mechanism, which builds timelike stable
> > > patterns. And those are, what we call 'matter'.
> >
> > Yeah, like earth, air, fire and water.
> 
> 
> No, I certainly do not use alchemy.

That has nothing to do with alchemy.

> > > 'Particle' are certain aspects of such patterns, but not real, separate
> > > entities.
> > >
> > >
> > > A simple atom is a standing rotation wave and the outer rim is the
> > > aspect of potential, hence 'negative' and 'charged'.
> > >
> > > The inner core is then kind of knot, from where the wave returns
> > > outwards (is 'positive').
> > >
> > > So an atom is one single structure and there are no particles, but
> > > certain patterns behave as if they were particles.
> >
> > Refuted by Ernest Rutherford in 1909:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford#Gold_foil_experiment
> 
> Proof is difficult in physics.

No, it isn't.  Physics builds models that work.

> Here we have an experiment and Rutherford 
> gave an explanation for its results.
> 
> But this does not say, that his explanation are in fact true. They are 
> just one possibility.

YOUR "model" can't explain what the standard model does.

“any alternative theory has to explain at least as much as the ‘standard
model’ does.” – George Efstathiou

> > “A wise person is full of questions.  A dull person is full of answers.”
> > – Paulo Coelho
> > ....
> > > Well, atoms do exist. The question is: what is actually an atom?
> >
> > This has been answered in the last century.  Where have YOU been?
> 
> Se above: the interpretations could also be wrong. There is actually no 
> guarantee, that former conclusions are correct, even if they are well 
> accepted and consistent with other assumptions.

They're consistent with experiment, too, which is all that counts.

> > > My assumption says, that spacetime of GR could have internal structure,
> > > which behaves like real lasting entities.
> >
> > "Structure" implies PARTICLES, which YOU reject.  You are talking in
> > circles and display your extreme ignorance.  You are an egregious
> > crackpot.
> 
> No.

Yes.

> 'Structures' are 'recognisable patterns', what does not say very much 
> about their true nature.
> 
> TH

Yes, like patterns of electrons, patterns of proton, patterns of neutrons,
patterns of photons, patterns of gluons, patterns of quarks, patterns of
neutrinos.  And the patterns are strings.

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#399864

From"David (Lord Kronos) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2016-11-26 15:49 -0800
Message-ID<256ad7e4-e683-47e6-97f8-7c274b1544ab@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#399843

Increasingly wrong. A string describes by its ability to vibrate. No 
 vibration, no string. Call it something else, a rock, a bar etc. Why 
 calling it a string when you is NOT a string. Give me a break. You are 
 just cut&paste obscenities. 


No ..... an truncated octahedral Tessellation of strings with the vertices as nodes & anti-nodes works well with bulk Modulus & wave speed. 
 
This can be directly converted to wave speed in a solid medium of spherical shells in a BCC (body ... errata) centered cubic lattice. 

http://i68.tinypic.com/xfn9rt.jpg 

Flat Torus * (1/Flat Torus) = 1 Turns All Constants  to Dimensionless Constants = http://oi68.tinypic.com/50n0l.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_embedding_theorem 

The Nash embedding theorems (or imbedding theorems), named after John Forbes Nash, state that every Riemannian manifold can be isometrically embedded into some Euclidean space. Isometric means preserving the length of every path. For instance, bending without stretching or tearing a page of paper gives an isometric embedding of the page into Euclidean space because curves drawn on the page retain the same arclength however the page is bent. 


Apollonian gasket & Nash Flat Torus 

a(0) = 1, a(n) = n^2 + 2 for n>0 


1* 2* 3* (2*3)* 11* (2 * 3^2)* (3^3)* (2 * 19)* (3 * 17)* (2*3*11)* 83* (2* 3* 17)* (3*41)* (73*2)* (3^2*19)* (2 3^2 11)* 227* (2*3*43)* (3*97)* (2*163)* (3*11^2)* (2*3*67)* 443* (2*3^5)* (3^2*59)* (2*17^2)* (3*11*19)* (2*3*113)* (17*43)* (2*3*131)* (3*281)* (2*11*41)* (3*3*107)* (2*3^3*19)* 1091* (2*3*193)* (3*409)* (2*11*59)* (3*457)* (2*3*241)* 1523* (2*3^2*89)* (3^2*11*17)* (2^4*3*37)* (3*617)* (2*3*17*19)* 2027* (2*3*353)* (3*11*67)* (2*1153) * (3^3*89)

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