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Re: Unification of Relativity & Quantum Theory

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Am 22.11.2016 14:17, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>>>>>> I only need a few assumptions and one is, that points have features.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can unphysical objects have physical features?
>>>>
>>>> Wrong question!
>>>>
>>>> My hypothesis goes: such pointlike elements are real and have features.
>>>
>>> A hypothesis is no good unless you can show that reality supports it.
>>> Pie-in-the-sky dreaming is just delusional dreaming.
>>> ....
>>> It's OBVIOUS that ATOMS exist; therefore, there is an argument against the
>>> validity of GR because it does, as you say, requires a continuum down to
>>> the smallest scale.  As for "spacetime":
>>>
>>> “spacetime is likely to be an approximate description of something quite
>>> different.” – Steven Carlip
>>>
>>> “we can ask ourselves whether there is a raw precursor to the fabric of
>>> spacetime – a configuration of the strings of the cosmic fabric in which
>>> they have not yet coalesced into the organized form that we recognize
>>> as spacetime. – Brian Greene, The Elegant Universe
>>>
>>> So I don't accept spacetime as a "physical entity."
>>
>>
>> The 'thing' is actually 'nothing'.
>
> Oh come ON!  "Nothing" means NO THING>


You introduce an a priori assumption, which I try to show is wrong.

You assume kind of Newtonian space as empty background, in which are 
things or which could be empty.

But I try to show, that things are structures of/in spacetime.

And no spacetime means: no space, no time, no fields, no things. THAT is 
nothing.


>> Nothing can actually split apart into two opposite directions, which are
>> both real and something.
>
> Baloney!  I heard this nonsense 50 years ago and it didn't improve with age.


Apparently you have not listened too careful.

I actually have not heard of such an idea before and regard my 'book' as 
own invention.

But as 'nothing new under the sun' - or so - there could have been 
others with similar ideas. That is certainly possible, but actually I 
don't know.


>> This is like electron and positron, which can pop out of nowhere as an
>> 'mirrored pair'.
>
> But it must disappear quickly to preserve conservation of energy.


The term 'energy' is something like 'grand total' for an accountant.

You know, that money out must match to money in (plus money before and 
after).

But this does not tell you very much about the reasons for expenses or 
income.

So: 'conservation laws' are certainly necessary, but you need to find 
the appropriate borders of the 'accounting system', to define what is 
conserved where.

If time runs backwards in some kind of mirrored world, this could add to 
the balance sheet for energy, but in unexpected ways.

Unless you take such possibilities into account, you cannot say, such 
other worlds are impossible.


>> Now space and time could do the same trick and that space can fill with
>> things.
>
> It does.  As you say, virtual particles.  And they produce real effects.
>
>> This would only require the opposite space and time somewhere.
>
> Whatever THAT means.  I have no problem with extra dimensions but you're
> just speculating wildly.

Well, I take that as a compliment.

But speculating is just one part. The other part is putting the pieces 
together to a consistent picture. That is a little more difficult.


>> And 'there' we certainly do not want to go, since we (as human beings)
>> belong to our space and our time and entering such other realms would be
>> extremely dangerous.
>
> Fantasies aren't dangerous.  You have no justification for that claim either.


Well, as a hobbyist I can do what I like.

I could build cars from old oil drums or build the Eiffel Tower from 
matches.

I had a different idea and you are not obliged to like it.

>> But - nevertheless - such realms might actually exist and there time
>> would flow backwards (in our view) and atoms are made of positrons
>> circling around a negative core.
>
> This is refuted speculaton, just trying to plagiarize Feynman's ideas.


I have a few books from Richard Feynman, but have nowhere found anything 
similar to what I have written.



TH

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