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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: My instantaneous point of view |
| Date | 2016-08-28 12:59 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e2f2cvF2r0rU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 28/08/2016 12:46 PM, John Gogo wrote: > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:45:16 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else > wrote: >> On 26/08/2016 12:06 PM, John Gogo wrote: >>> On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 8:51:28 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else >>> wrote: >>>> On 26/08/2016 8:29 AM, John Gogo wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 1:02:30 AM UTC-5, Sylvia >>>>> Else wrote: >>>>>> On 25/08/2016 11:52 AM, John Gogo wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 9:54:26 PM UTC-5, Sylvia >>>>>>> Else wrote: >>>>>>>> On 24/08/2016 1:42 AM, John Gogo wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 12:18:12 AM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2016 1:39 PM, John Gogo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 10:30:11 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>> John Gogo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 10:22:05 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 10:03:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 9:17:46 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2016 11:42 AM, John Gogo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 8:31:12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2016 9:41 AM, John Gogo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9:40:09 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/08/2016 6:17 AM, John Gogo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would take about two seconds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if go/come to Earth, one second >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if one-way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, not instantaneous then. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, not any signal. But, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observation of the "largeness of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the screen"(determined by maximum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visual acuity) is instantaneous. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suppose we had a large screen on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moon, but it was initially covered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. Then, when a laser pulse hits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the retro-reflector, the large screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was uncovered. Do you maintain that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the largeness of the screen could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observed before the returning laser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulse reaches the Earth? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, this is what I have been trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your retina is sensitive to photons. For >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to observe the photons representing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the largeness of the screen before the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photons in the returning laser pulse, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former would have to travel faster than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the latter. Why would they travel faster? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would they know that they should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel faster? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are treating "retina" like a machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to measure "photons" from which the very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nature of its' meaning is traveling. Don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think like this. Think about why the object >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is large as it is and what makes this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible. Then you go right away to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen of photons. Don't do this. Instead, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare the image of the screen- the 1,2,3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in seconds vs. the signal that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> satellite sends back. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the only way you are going to >>>>>>>>>>>>> spatially be able to tell a time difference. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just giving you the facts here... you can >>>>>>>>>>>> like it or not. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For instance, the Jupiter moon measure... I >>>>>>>>>>> refuse to believe that the 22 minutes of the six >>>>>>>>>>> month variation of occultation of the Jupiter's >>>>>>>>>>> two main moons have anything to do with the speed >>>>>>>>>>> of light. I believe the 22 minutes means >>>>>>>>>>> something else. Now, I know what the 22 minutes >>>>>>>>>>> means to you, but do you know what the 22 minutes >>>>>>>>>>> mean to me? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why would you not believe? It's an elegantly >>>>>>>>>> simple explanation for what's observed, and is >>>>>>>>>> entirely consistent with what we know about light. >>>>>>>>>> It seems bizarre in the extreme for you to want to >>>>>>>>>> believe that the cause is something else when we >>>>>>>>>> clearly understand what's happening. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You might as well believe in undetectable dragons. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, you are like one in the audience during a >>>>>>>>> magicians performance and the magician is like >>>>>>>>> nature. When the woman appears to be sawed in half- >>>>>>>>> you believe the woman is really being sawed in half- >>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know how you get there. The fact that the >>>>>>>> apparently sawn-in-half woman is still alive suggests >>>>>>>> that the women-really-sawn-in-half model is flawed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As yet, there's nothing to suggest that the model of >>>>>>>> light is flawed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My point is we can place screens far on Earth- like the >>>>>>> one's in famous toothed-wheel experiments- placed on >>>>>>> mountain tops to derive a measurable quantity which >>>>>>> proves that screens can be observed BEFORE signals. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, it's your theory. You need to do the experiment. >>>>>> Given its conflict with the well established existing >>>>>> theory, no one else is going to do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>> >>>>> The phenomenon occurs naturally. There is evidence out there >>>>> like the 1950's naval experiments where sight triangulation >>>>> occurred instantly and the radar "fell short". The main >>>>> problem is how science interprets the results. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Instead of providing vague references, which people cannot >>>> check, why not provide links to official documents? >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> Official documents... maybe, I'm ahead of my time and I'm just >>> waiting for people to wake up. It's very difficult to talk about >>> a subject that nobody wants to talk about. >>> >> >> If there were 1950's naval experiments, you'd have to have become >> aware of them somehow. If there are no official documents to refer >> to, how do you know that it's not just something someone overheard >> in a pub? >> >> Sylvia. > > Free space velocity was their explanation. Sylvia, you are a person > of this Earth- you have as much right to this reality as I do. Why > don't you prove it- if you think it must be proved? > Prove what? The non-existence of these experiments? Clearly I can't do that, since proving non-existence of anything is impossible. You are saying things about these experiments. Unless you were personally involved, and not just imagining it, you must have come across information about them somehow. Why not provide details to facilitate some independent verification, as well as allowing an opportunity to check your interpretation of the results. Sylvia.
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