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Re: How is time really organized

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Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>
> >> Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> >>>>>>>>>> Natividad Ã…Å¡lusarski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
> >>>>>>>>>>     The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
> >>>>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
> >>>>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
> >>>>>>>>> time called 'now'.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
> >>>>>>>>> somewhere else.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> TH
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here is here is here..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now is very very far away apart from here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now is everywhere
> >>>>>> Here is right here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>> remove the letter 'W'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There??
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> remove the letter 'T'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's all Here!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What about Now?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now is like...WOW!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where?
> >>>>> There.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where?
> >>>>> over there!
> >>>>> It's now now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> over here it is the same now  as over there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where?
> >>>>> over there!
> >>>>> It's now now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What time is it now?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The time now is...NOW!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What time is it now? Yes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The time is Now!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Everywhere!!
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
> >>>>
> >>>> Here or over there?
> >>>>
> >>>> Where?
> >>>>
> >>>> Over here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
> >>
> >> The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
> >> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
> >>
> >> So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
> >> our own past-light-cone.
> >>
> >> THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
> >>
> >> So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
> >> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
> >>
> >> It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
> >> that THAT would have borders.
> >>
> >> But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
> >> because you can't see in that direction.
> >>
> >> TH
> >> ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
> >
> >
> > Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
> > was eternal time.
> >
> > The big bang created time in...seconds.
> 
> I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
> is garbage.

I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
"created" either.

> 
> I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
> 
> That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
> picture unreal.
> 
> What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.

I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.

> 
> It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
> (what we can't).

You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"

> ...
> 
> TH

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  Re: How is time really organized Natividad Ślusarski <rsi@val.pl> - 2026-07-17 12:10 +0000
    Re: How is time really organized Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-07-18 00:40 +0200
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        Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-19 15:55 -0700
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            Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-23 07:26 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-23 09:26 -0700
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          Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:28 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-22 09:41 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-23 07:33 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-23 07:52 +0200
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                Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-23 14:45 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-24 12:02 +0200
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                Re: How is time really organized Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 08:31 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:41 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-22 20:59 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:48 -0700
        Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:05 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:16 -0700
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              Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 11:42 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 21:14 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 23:05 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-25 11:29 -0700
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                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-26 21:00 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-29 07:12 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-28 23:14 -0700
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