Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: How is time really organized Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2026 23:14:49 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 194 Message-ID: <6A699A59.206@ix.netcom.com> References: <18c310a80c1c9341$1135817$2346$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <113d641$1n26c$1@news.nntp4.net> <113eb13$1urvv$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net> <6A613E8E.16CF@ix.netcom.com> <6A614152.23C3@ix.netcom.com> <6A63AE5A.375F@ix.netcom.com> <6A63B201.5990@ix.netcom.com> <6A64381C.30C1@ix.netcom.com> <6A64522F.2657@ix.netcom.com> <6A66D7FA.118C@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 06:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="686220"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/XqacdJ+bF313fT+mOn2qzEb8vl2CZGHE="; posting-host="d691f571e631162753102132c39e4704" Cancel-Lock: sha1:cUfgiIhRXQHyKbxiCgZVq/zUnwQ= sha256:J3E/CXsWK+6GwxFwf7mvgcKsW37ll5JkwQbsQKXI8u8= sha1:lub/JWEMpH/KiFtfKzS+DPtZf5Y= sha256:y1jj5rid10+B53KOOvF/V4PDBwnUMMtYTLH1fk+Swv8= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 260727-10, 07/27/2026), Outbound message X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:671718 Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > >> > >> Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > >>>>>>>>>> Natividad Ślusarski wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. > >>>>>>>>>>>> This is time. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the > >>>>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time. > >>>>>>>>>> The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time > >>>>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do > >>>>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some > >>>>>>>>> time called 'now'. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be > >>>>>>>>> somewhere else. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> TH > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Here is here is here.. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now is very very far away apart from here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now is everywhere > >>>>>> Here is right here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Where? > >>>>>> remove the letter 'W' > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There?? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> remove the letter 'T' > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It's all Here! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What about Now? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now is like...WOW! > >>>>> > >>>>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? > >>>>> > >>>>> Where? > >>>>> There. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. > >>>>> > >>>>> Where? > >>>>> over there! > >>>>> It's now now. > >>>>> > >>>>> over here it is the same now as over there. > >>>>> > >>>>> Where? > >>>>> over there! > >>>>> It's now now. > >>>>> > >>>>> What time is it now? > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. > >>>>> > >>>>> The time now is...NOW! > >>>>> > >>>>> What time is it now? Yes. > >>>>> > >>>>> The time is Now! > >>>>> > >>>>> Where? > >>>>> > >>>>> Everywhere!! > >>>> > >>>> The problem of course is...where does Here begin? > >>>> > >>>> Here or over there? > >>>> > >>>> Where? > >>>> > >>>> Over here. > >>> > >>> > >>> What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. > >> > >> The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need > >> light so see something and that needs time to travel. > >> > >> So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along > >> our own past-light-cone. > >> > >> THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang. > >> > >> So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is > >> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! > >> > >> It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, > >> that THAT would have borders. > >> > >> But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, > >> because you can't see in that direction. > >> > >> TH > >> ... > > > > > > > > > > > > The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. > > > > > > Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It > > was eternal time. > > > > The big bang created time in...seconds. > > I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory > is garbage. I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word "created" either. > > I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call > 'universe' is actually our own past light cone. > > That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire > picture unreal. > > What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but > is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime scene' as it took place then. > > It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the > universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 > billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years > (what we can't). You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from Earth." and they will say..."How did you get this number?" > ... > > TH -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.