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Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine.

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> On 26/03/2016 7:45 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> The explanation is that you have the misconception that “mass 
>> constitutes a solid object”.  […]
>> What the layman […] calls a “massive object” is […] actually made up of
>> constituents held together by fundamental interactions (also,
>> “forces”): […]
> 
> Yes we know all that. Matter is made of smaller bits of matter, all of 
> which have mass. ..and part of the mass is associated with binding 
> energy. That doesn't tell us anything.

It does not tell *you* anything.  It tells *me* that there is more to matter
than mass, and that assuming otherwise is the cause of your misconception
about how electron–positron annihilation works.

>> […] when you consider that we now know that 98.7 % to 99 % of the mass 
>> of protons and neutrons […] does _not_ come from their constituent 
>> quarks [1], but from the space between the quarks, from the *energy*
>> of *empty space* [2], and that atoms are mostly empty as well¹, it
>> should not be at all surprising that matter “can change into pure
>> radiation”. And it should not be surprising that where there is so much
>> empty space, radiation can “pass through most massive objects”.
> 
> Yes we know all that.

The truth is: Now that I have told *you*, *you* know it.  Because people who
know this would not claim that the positron could have negative mass.

> It does not tell us anything about the transformation from mas to 
> energy.

Mass is not transformed to energy.  *Only* *you* have the misconception that
it would be, that those two would be independent properties and quantities.

> What we really need to know is more information about the physical
> nature of fields.

What *you* really need to know is how to consult introductory resources on
physics.

What you still have to do is to answer the question in the other subthread.


PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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