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Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine.

From HGW <hw@...>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine.
Date 2016-03-23 09:46 +1100
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On 23/03/16 09:19, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>   wrote:
>
>> Your 'proof' that positrons DO NOT have negative mass fails because if
>> they did and your proof was valid, you would be able to make a perpetual
>> motion machine.
>>
>> In other words, the equation you provided to back up
>> your claim does not apply.
>>
>> So the high probability that positrons have zero mass remains...
>>
>> and  a photon can be a massless e+e- combination.
>
> OK then, let us take this one step at a time.
>
> Do you agree that the positron is the anti-particle of the electron?
> (A simple “Yes” or “No” will suffice.)
>
>
> PointedEars
>

I made a typo that should have been obvious to even a dingleberry...but 
I apparently overestimated them all.

I obviously should have said, "So it is still possible for a positron to 
have NEGATIVE mass. (in spite of Harnagel's bogus 'proof' that they do 
not).

Note it is bogus because it leads to free energy and perpetual motion.

The question is, does  anyone have a better proof that a positron's mass 
is not negative such that when combined with an electron the into a 
photon, the masses almost cancel.  I say 'almost' because if they don't 
exactly cancel, that would link electric forces with gravity and might 
indeed explain the latter. It has previously been suggested that a +ve 
charge might not exactly equal a -ve one in magnitude. I am proposing 
that a +ve mass might not have exactly the same magnitude as a -ve mass 
and so photons do possess only an extremely small inertial mass but a 
gravitational mass of two.

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The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <hgw@...> - 2016-03-19 09:30 +1100
  Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 16:09 -0700
    Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-03-19 00:23 +0100
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  Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-03-18 17:23 -0700
    Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-03-20 03:43 +1100
    Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-03-20 12:11 -0500
      Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-03-21 06:46 +1100
  Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2016-03-19 07:26 -0700
    Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-03-20 03:50 +1100
      Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-19 11:56 -0700
        Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. cryptoclearance <cryptoclearance@cryptoclearance.net> - 2016-03-19 19:48 +0000
          Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-19 22:42 +0100
            Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. cryptoclearance <cryptoclearance@cryptoclearance.net> - 2016-03-19 22:10 +0000
      Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2016-03-20 08:20 -0700
        Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-03-21 06:55 +1100
          Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 17:27 -0700
            Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <hw@...> - 2016-03-21 12:13 +1100
              Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 20:48 -0700
              Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-03-22 21:09 +0100
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                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <hw@...> - 2016-03-23 09:46 +1100
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                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-23 20:08 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 14:19 -0500
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <hw@...> - 2016-03-24 09:34 +1100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-24 02:05 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <hw@...> - 2016-03-24 13:11 +1100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-24 20:54 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <hw@...> - 2016-03-25 09:09 +1100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-24 23:54 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-03-25 22:38 +1100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-25 13:59 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-25 21:45 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <hgw@...> - 2016-03-26 14:33 +1100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-26 05:00 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-03-26 15:18 +1100
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                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-26 14:30 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-26 15:53 +0100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-03-27 20:48 +1100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-03-27 10:08 +1100
                Re: The Dingleberry Anti-Gravity, Perpetual Motion Machine. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 09:48 -0500
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