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Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 6/27/18 8:22 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> SolomonW wrote:
>>> Newton and Newtonian physics are not quite the same thing.
>> 
>> First of all, that is nonsense.
> 
> No, it is true, fundamentally.

No, it is not.
 
> Newton thought that space and time are "absolute". Today, we know that
> absolute space and time are irrelevant, because all of the Newtonian
> laws of physics are valid in any inertial frame (not just a single
> "absolute" frame).

But this is not "Newtonian physics".
 
> So for the past century (at least), Newton's "absolute space and time"
> have had no effect on any modeling using Newtonian physics. IOW: they
> are just words with no impact.

Incorrect.

>>> To make Newtonian physics to work you need to have some arbitrary point
>>> to measure from, think about an object which is measured with x, y, z
>>> directions at a time of t. All these measurements are from some
>>> arbitrary point and time.
> 
> It actually requires considerably more: an inertial coordinate system.
> Just a single point is woefully inadequate.

You don’t say.
 
>> Once again: You do not understand what “relativity of space and time” in
>> “theories of relativity” means.
> 
> You are lumping together incommensurate theories -- the concepts of
> space and time are CONSIDERABLY different among Newtonian physics, SR,
> and GR. But all can be classified as "theories of relativity" -- that
> phrase is essentially useless.

It is not I who is doing the “lumping together” here.


PointedEars
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A: To a prism.

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