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Re: Why Have Medical Insurance?

From Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: Why Have Medical Insurance?
Date 2017-05-13 09:14 -0700
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On 5/13/2017 8:35 AM, amdx wrote:
> On 5/13/2017 10:05 AM, Don Y wrote:
>> On 5/13/2017 7:38 AM, amdx wrote:
>>>> As I said elsewhere, I'd gladly keep paying "high rates" *if* it acted
>>>> to protect me from NEEDING care (sadly, it can't).  So, the only control
>>>> I have over what gets paid out is by adjusting my lifestyle to avoid
>>>> things that could lead to expensive care (avoid smoking, control weight,
>>>> exercise, etc.), encourage others to do likewise (to reduce the amount
>>>> that I -- and everyone else lumped in the same group with me -- get
>>>> charged to cover THEIR care) and *hope* for the best.
>>>
>>>   Good luck with that.
>>
>> I can't think of anything else that I can do to keep myself healthy
>> AND keep the costs for my health care down.
>
>    It wasn't you that I'm concerned about, it's convincing others.

Have to show people other ways of thinking about issues BEFORE you
can expect them to "take the initiative" and think for themselves.
But, can't *make* someone shed their emotional clinging to illogical
convictions.

E.g., my comment re: hospital employees not wanting to "give their all"
to ensure the care THEY get will be the "best possible".  Until you
get folks thinking about how their attitude can *hurt* them WHEN HELD
BY THEIR COLLEAGUES, they're unlikely to think about the effort they
expend.

If it wasn't so sad/depressing, it would be highly amusing to point out
folks' inconsistencies to them.

I was speaking with a neighbor some years back and another neighbor
joined us and got into a rant about the HoA notifying him that he
had too many weeds in his yard, yada yada yada:  "What business is
it of theirs what my yard looks like?  It's *my* property!  I can
treat it however I like!"

The other neighbor replied, straight-faced:  "Absolutely right!
If I want to put up a MEAT RENDERING facility here, I should be
free to do so!  After all, it's MY property!"

Silence.

I guess it never occurred to the first neighbor to consider how the
"freedom" he was claiming might HURT him if afforded to the rest
of us.   Ooops!

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