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SUSE Reviving Usenet

Started by711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart>
First post2021-09-29 09:04 -0500
Last post2021-10-12 09:38 -0500
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  SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-29 09:04 -0500
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:44 +0000
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-09-30 01:44 -0400
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-30 12:25 -0400
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 14:03 -0500
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-09-30 23:36 +0000
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 20:20 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-09-30 14:45 -1000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-01 06:30 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 14:48 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-01 13:47 -0400
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-01 17:56 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 11:41 -0700
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-01 22:07 -0400
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 20:49 +0100
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:03 +0000
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-02 10:49 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 15:13 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0400
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:34 -0700
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 20:04 -0400
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:50 +0000
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-03 05:52 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet chris <chris-nospam@tridac.net> - 2021-10-20 00:00 +0100
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:13 -0500
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:48 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-02 22:23 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-02 16:07 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 18:06 +0100
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-02 19:55 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 22:17 +0100
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-03 08:15 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-02 13:29 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-10-02 07:53 -1000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> - 2021-10-02 18:58 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:27 -0500
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> - 2021-10-03 15:34 +0000
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 01:05 -0500
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-10-02 20:04 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-04 14:17 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-04 16:42 +0100
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-10-04 17:17 +0100
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 16:38 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 16:10 -0400
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-05 00:11 -0400
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 08:31 -0400
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-05 11:34 -0400
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-05 17:31 +0000
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-10-06 09:31 +0100
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-08 18:53 -0400
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-05 17:41 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 20:58 -0400
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 06:38 +0100
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 01:26 -0500
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 08:12 +0100
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 03:41 -0500
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-05 23:04 +0000
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-05 06:48 -0700
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-10-05 14:17 +0000
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-05 23:03 -0500
                              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-06 04:58 +0000
                                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 00:59 -0500
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 16:00 -0400
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2021-11-25 20:13 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-11-26 04:02 +0000
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-10-01 23:19 -0500
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-09-30 18:38 +0000
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-30 19:26 +0000
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-30 21:39 +0200
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-01 21:32 +0200
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 20:31 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 21:24 +0000
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 11:12 -0500
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 18:09 +0100
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-02 18:32 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-02 20:41 +0100
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:40 -0500
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-03 13:31 +0200
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 05:15 -0700
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 05:27 -0700
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-03 13:35 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 07:07 -0700
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-03 23:06 -0500
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-03 16:25 +0000
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 10:00 -0700
                              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-04 14:09 +0000
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-03 22:57 -0500
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-04 14:06 +0200
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-04 14:11 +0100
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-05 10:28 +0200
                            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-05 10:44 +0100
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-04 14:21 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 15:29 +0000
                          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-10-05 11:04 +0200
                        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet lawrence@cluon.com (Lawrence Statton (NK1G)) - 2021-10-04 13:42 -0500
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ulick Magee <ulickmagee@feckoff.invalid> - 2021-11-09 23:55 +0000
                      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-11-09 20:44 -0600
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 06:22 +0100
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 14:55 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-01 17:19 +0100
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:13 +0000
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 17:30 -0400
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-10-01 18:27 +0000
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:46 +0200
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 21:26 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-10-02 01:12 -0500
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 11:08 +0000
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-29 16:25 +0100
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:17 -0500
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2021-09-29 15:56 +0000
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-29 17:22 +0100
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:23 -0500
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:22 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-09-30 13:27 +0000
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 12:58 -0500
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-30 19:12 +0100
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 13:16 -0700
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 15:59 -0500
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 17:38 -0700
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-29 17:36 +0000
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 22:32 +0000
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-09-30 08:25 -0500
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 10:57 -0500
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-10-02 22:07 +0000
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-02 23:07 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 11:46 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-03 18:14 +0100
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:35 +0000
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 10:45 -0700
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 14:28 -0400
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2021-10-06 15:55 +0300
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2021-10-06 14:35 +0100
      Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 00:37 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-10-07 07:04 +0100
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 18:30 +0000
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 08:47 -0400
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-07 13:07 +0000
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:16 -0500
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-10-08 00:08 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:50 -0500
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 09:32 -0500
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:38 -0500
        Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2021-10-07 17:42 +0300
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 18:26 -0500
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-07 23:44 +0000
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:23 -0500
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-08 01:27 +0000
                  Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-07 20:56 -0500
                    Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-08 01:58 +0000
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-07 20:01 -0700
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-08 00:54 -0500
            Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-10-12 12:23 -0500
              Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 13:35 -0500
                Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-10-12 16:16 -0700
          Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> - 2021-10-12 09:38 -0500

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#50347

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Message-ID<4Ol6J.138401$lC6.100691@fx41.iad>
In reply to#50329
On 2021-10-03, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:

> On 10/2/21 2:41 PM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT
>> Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there
>> 
>> 	I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in
>> separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not.
>
> I agree with your true "can do" attitude. Perhaps this sentiment is
> appropos: 'I do it because I can. That is "can do so, so do can"
> attitude.' You are a digital martial artist in the art of "can do so, i do."

Be careful - it's dangerously easy to cross over into the belief that
"if something can be done, it should be done."  A lot of bad things
have been done - and are being done today - because of this.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Life is perverse.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  It can be beautiful -
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  but it won't.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Lily Tomlin

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#50334

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2021-10-03 13:31 +0200
Message-ID<dugo2ix149.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>
In reply to#50305
On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
>> not google. I suffer hiccups.
>>
>> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
>> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
>> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
>> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
>> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
>> offer similar service to what my ISP offered.
> 
> I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and
> run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a
> provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a
> personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning
> to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our
> future caretakers.
> 
> All youngsters and nascent hackers:
> 
> 1. Register a domain name and never lose it.
> 
> 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to
> check yearly.
> 
> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.

And how do you do this?



-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#50335

FromStefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com>
Date2021-10-03 05:15 -0700
Message-ID<8579ce33-3ebc-4e28-bc52-2b2bc5f908ccn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#50334
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 1:33:41 PM UTC+2, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote: 
> > On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: 
> > 
> >> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly 
> >> not google. I suffer hiccups. 
> >> 
> >> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider, 
> >> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my 
> >> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a 
> >> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think 
> >> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't 
> >> offer similar service to what my ISP offered. 
> > 
> > I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and 
> > run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a 
> > provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a 
> > personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning 
> > to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our 
> > future caretakers. 
> > 
> > All youngsters and nascent hackers: 
> > 
> > 1. Register a domain name and never lose it. 
> > 
> > 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to 
> > check yearly. 
> > 
> > 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
> And how do you do this? 

Look for a domain registrar like namecheap.com for example. Then purchase
a small VPS server, let's say at Digital Ocean. Once you have the server
up and running install postfix Mail Server and configure it so that you can
use your favorite MUA with it.

There are plenty of tutorials available on how to do that.

Regards
Stefan

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#50336

FromStefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com>
Date2021-10-03 05:27 -0700
Message-ID<cb592d3e-5168-4721-9b3b-e896c1e0581dn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#50335
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:15:40 PM UTC+2, Stefan Claas wrote:
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 1:33:41 PM UTC+2, Carlos E. R. wrote: 
> > On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote: 
> > > On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: 
> > > 
> > >> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly 
> > >> not google. I suffer hiccups. 
> > >> 
> > >> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider, 
> > >> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my 
> > >> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a 
> > >> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think 
> > >> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't 
> > >> offer similar service to what my ISP offered. 
> > > 
> > > I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and 
> > > run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a 
> > > provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a 
> > > personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning 
> > > to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our 
> > > future caretakers. 
> > > 
> > > All youngsters and nascent hackers: 
> > > 
> > > 1. Register a domain name and never lose it. 
> > > 
> > > 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to 
> > > check yearly. 
> > > 
> > > 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them. 
> > And how do you do this?
> Look for a domain registrar like namecheap.com for example. Then purchase 
> a small VPS server, let's say at Digital Ocean. Once you have the server 
> up and running install postfix Mail Server and configure it so that you can 
> use your favorite MUA with it. 
> 
> There are plenty of tutorials available on how to do that. 

P.S. same applies if you want to run your own Usenet Server, or thousands
of many other apps, which would like for example allow you to copy
anonymously encrypted files over the Internet, so that you don't have to
rely on encrypted emails.

Regards
Stefan

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#50337

FromJan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com>
Date2021-10-03 13:35 +0000
Message-ID<sjcbpe$c2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#50336
On a sunny day (Sun, 3 Oct 2021 05:27:01 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Stefan Claas
<spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in
<cb592d3e-5168-4721-9b3b-e896c1e0581dn@googlegroups.com>:

>On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:15:40 PM UTC+2, Stefan Claas wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 1:33:41 PM UTC+2, Carlos E. R. wrote: 
>> > On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote: 
>> > > On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: 
>> > > 
>> > >> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly 
>> > >> not google. I suffer hiccups. 
>> > >> 
>> > >> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider, 
>> > >> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my 
>> > >> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a 
>> > >> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think 
>> > >> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't 
>> > >> offer similar service to what my ISP offered. 
>> > > 
>> > > I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and 
>> > > run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a 
>> > > provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a 
>> > > personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning 
>> > > to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our 
>> > > future caretakers. 
>> > > 
>> > > All youngsters and nascent hackers: 
>> > > 
>> > > 1. Register a domain name and never lose it. 
>> > > 
>> > > 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to 
>> > > check yearly. 
>> > > 
>> > > 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them. 
>> > And how do you do this?
>> Look for a domain registrar like namecheap.com for example. Then purchase 
>> a small VPS server, let's say at Digital Ocean. Once you have the server 
>> up and running install postfix Mail Server and configure it so that you can 
>> use your favorite MUA with it. 
>> 
>> There are plenty of tutorials available on how to do that. 
>
>P.S. same applies if you want to run your own Usenet Server, or thousands
>of many other apps, which would like for example allow you to copy
>anonymously encrypted files over the Internet, so that you don't have to
>rely on encrypted emails.

All that requires that you have a fixed IP address
I for example am wireless with a 4G stick these days.
Advantage: stick it in my laptop and internet everywhere,
At home I use that USB stick in a raspberry pi that then  functions as router/ gateway for the LAN.
Some cable providers give you a semie-fixed IP, may change.


>Regards
>Stefan
>

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#50338

FromStefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com>
Date2021-10-03 07:07 -0700
Message-ID<14585365-1de8-4362-9298-9145f2161328n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#50337
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 3:38:57 PM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 3 Oct 2021 05:27:01 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Stefan Claas 
> <spam.tra...@gmail.com> wrote in 
> <cb592d3e-5168-4721...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:15:40 PM UTC+2, Stefan Claas wrote: 
> >> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 1:33:41 PM UTC+2, Carlos E. R. wrote: 
> >> > On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote: 
> >> > > On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: 
> >> > > 
> >> > >> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly 
> >> > >> not google. I suffer hiccups. 
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider, 
> >> > >> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my 
> >> > >> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a 
> >> > >> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think 
> >> > >> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't 
> >> > >> offer similar service to what my ISP offered. 
> >> > > 
> >> > > I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and 
> >> > > run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a 
> >> > > provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a 
> >> > > personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning 
> >> > > to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our 
> >> > > future caretakers. 
> >> > > 
> >> > > All youngsters and nascent hackers: 
> >> > > 
> >> > > 1. Register a domain name and never lose it. 
> >> > > 
> >> > > 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to 
> >> > > check yearly. 
> >> > > 
> >> > > 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them. 
> >> > And how do you do this? 
> >> Look for a domain registrar like namecheap.com for example. Then purchase 
> >> a small VPS server, let's say at Digital Ocean. Once you have the server 
> >> up and running install postfix Mail Server and configure it so that you can 
> >> use your favorite MUA with it. 
> >> 
> >> There are plenty of tutorials available on how to do that. 
> > 
> >P.S. same applies if you want to run your own Usenet Server, or thousands 
> >of many other apps, which would like for example allow you to copy 
> >anonymously encrypted files over the Internet, so that you don't have to 
> >rely on encrypted emails.
> All that requires that you have a fixed IP address 
> I for example am wireless with a 4G stick these days. 
> Advantage: stick it in my laptop and internet everywhere, 
> At home I use that USB stick in a raspberry pi that then functions as router/ gateway for the LAN. 
> Some cable providers give you a semie-fixed IP, may change. 

Correct, but most customers (globally) will not get a static IP address at home
and static IPv6 addresses are also mostly handed out to business customers
and not private individuals. I often had disccussions with poeple about that.

Despite the fact that IPv4 shortage and the invention of IPv6 is known
since the early 90's ...

Regards
Stefan

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#50366

From711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart>
Date2021-10-03 23:06 -0500
Message-ID<sjduhp$3oo$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#50338
On 10/3/21 9:07 AM, Stefan Claas wrote:

> Correct, but most customers (globally) will not get a static IP address at home
> and static IPv6 addresses are also mostly handed out to business customers
> and not private individuals. I often had disccussions with poeple about that.
> 
> Despite the fact that IPv4 shortage and the invention of IPv6 is known
> since the early 90's ...

https://lowendbox.com | find a cheap VPS

VPS is the way to go for stable static IP. Some VPS providers give a
single static IPv4 and up to 24 IPv6 addresses and a KVM server with 4
TB/month for like $25 USD per year. That's crazy cheap and more than
enough for a single person's mail server.

Kamatera hosting costs just a little bit more and they give like 7 or 8
TB of bandwidth for the cheap VPS.

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#50342

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2021-10-03 16:25 +0000
Message-ID<sjclia$7on$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#50337
Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 3 Oct 2021 05:27:01 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Stefan Claas
> <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in
> <cb592d3e-5168-4721-9b3b-e896c1e0581dn@googlegroups.com>:
> 
>>On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:15:40 PM UTC+2, Stefan Claas wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 1:33:41 PM UTC+2, Carlos E. R. wrote: 
>>> > On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote: 
>>> > > I ran into problems like this once.  So I registered my own 
>>> > > domains and run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left 
>>> > > hanging by a provider.  It is the safest way to maintain 
>>> > > continuity especially with a personal brand or business 
>>> > > presence.  Since this hierarchy is beginning to look like a 
>>> > > retirement community I want to offer some advice to our future 
>>> > > caretakers.
>>> > > 
>>> > > All youngsters and nascent hackers: 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 1. Register a domain name and never lose it. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to 
>>> > > check yearly. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them. 
>>> > And how do you do this?
>>> Look for a domain registrar like namecheap.com for example.  Then 
>>> purchase a small VPS server, let's say at Digital Ocean.  Once you 
>>> have the server up and running install postfix Mail Server and 
>>> configure it so that you can use your favorite MUA with it.
>>> 
>>> There are plenty of tutorials available on how to do that. 
>>
>>P.S.  same applies if you want to run your own Usenet Server, or 
>>thousands of many other apps, which would like for example allow you 
>>to copy anonymously encrypted files over the Internet, so that you 
>>don't have to rely on encrypted emails.
> 
> All that requires that you have a fixed IP address

It all works much better with a static IP, but it is possible to 
utilize a dynamic IP with some additional setup.  First one has to 
utilize one of the many "dynamic IP to DNS map" services (which, 
somewhat, breaks the "do it yourself" aspect) or if one's domain 
registrar has an API and provides DNS, one could setup one's own 
"dynamic IP" service.

When one's dynamic IP changes, there will be a slight glitch in the 
matrix during the changeover on the DNS side, so one has to tolerate 
this as well.

Web access works so long as the current IP resolved from one's domain 
is one's current dynamic IP address.

Email, which was designed to operate in the long ago days of UUCP 
service (store and forward), will work just fine with a dynamic IP, 
except that emails will be delayed by the amount of retry time the 
sender waits before retrying if the IP mapping is incorrect at the time 
of ssending.  And, one does have to be "online" long enough with the 
same IP address to allow those retrys to eventually make contact.  As 
most ISP dynamic IP's are essentially "static until you reboot the 
router" then things will appear 'static' for long runs of time anyway.

So one /can/ make do with a dynamic IP, it just takes a bit more 
effort.

Now, if one goes the suggested route of a VPS server, those usually are 
assigned static IP addresses from the start.

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#50344

FromStefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com>
Date2021-10-03 10:00 -0700
Message-ID<7f790760-a02c-4ba2-8b65-fce580191d3dn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#50342
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 6:25:50 PM UTC+2, Rich wrote:

> Email, which was designed to operate in the long ago days of UUCP 
> service (store and forward), will work just fine with a dynamic IP, 
> except that emails will be delayed by the amount of retry time the 
> sender waits before retrying if the IP mapping is incorrect at the time 
> of ssending. And, one does have to be "online" long enough with the 
> same IP address to allow those retrys to eventually make contact. As 
> most ISP dynamic IP's are essentially "static until you reboot the 
> router" then things will appear 'static' for long runs of time anyway. 
> 
> So one /can/ make do with a dynamic IP, it just takes a bit more 
> effort. 

Normally when using dynamic IP addresses and let's say a service
like no-ip.com the problem nowadays is that the IP address ranges
are blacklisted, so it will most likely not arrive or handled as spam,
if one has luck.

UUCP I used in the 80's when I had my first email account but I am
not sure if UUCP ist still used nowadays to handle email traffic among
all email users.

Regards
Stefan

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#50370

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2021-10-04 14:09 +0000
Message-ID<sjf1ve$h9h$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#50344
Stefan Claas <spam.trap.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 6:25:50 PM UTC+2, Rich wrote:
> 
>> Email, which was designed to operate in the long ago days of UUCP 
>> service (store and forward), will work just fine with a dynamic IP, 
>> except that emails will be delayed by the amount of retry time the 
>> sender waits before retrying if the IP mapping is incorrect at the 
>> time of ssending.  And, one does have to be "online" long enough 
>> with the same IP address to allow those retrys to eventually make 
>> contact.  As most ISP dynamic IP's are essentially "static until you 
>> reboot the router" then things will appear 'static' for long runs of 
>> time anyway.
>> 
>> So one /can/ make do with a dynamic IP, it just takes a bit more 
>> effort. 
> 
> Normally when using dynamic IP addresses and let's say a service like 
> no-ip.com the problem nowadays is that the IP address ranges are 
> blacklisted, so it will most likely not arrive or handled as spam, if 
> one has luck.

IP address range blacklisting is a layer above everything else.  That 
can happen to your IP even if you have a static IP.

> UUCP I used in the 80's when I had my first email account but I am 
> not sure if UUCP ist still used nowadays to handle email traffic 
> among all email users.

I personally have not looked for a UUCP email provider, so I can't say 
one exists or not.  It would, of course, in today's world likely be 
UUCP over TCP/IP instead of over dialup modems, but it would function.  
That (if it existed) would be a way around worries about email 
deliverability in light of a dynamic IP address.

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#50365

From711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart>
Date2021-10-03 22:57 -0500
Message-ID<sjdu0v$1v3f$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#50334
On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

[...]

>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
> 
> And how do you do this?

TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting

Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
password login and challenge disabled.

Option B : use a shared web host with cPanel or WebMin which saves a lot
of config foo and usually does all your configuration automatically just
by putting pointing your registrar to the host and adding your domain in
cPanel. This is a good option for people who don't know Linux command
line foo.

Option C : get a VPS or single board at home and install something like
HestiaCP, WebMin, cPanel. I like hestiaCP. It's like cPanel but free and
open source. I've not had a hiccup with it. HestiaCP creates all your
DNS records, manages your clamav, mail, package updates, firewall, and
ssl certificates automatically. It lets you administer everything on the
server with a web browser interface. There is some major shell power
under the hood and lots of command line options so you can manage it
over SSH if you want.

I mostly use option B and C with my setups. Option A is a lot more work
and I'd rather play with spiders than mess with a monster pile of config
code, especially trying to make bind play nice. I also dislike manually
configuring IPtables--never a pleasure and easy to get wrong then
painful to troubleshoot. If I need to jump ship to another machine or
host, I would likely need to configure everything all over again, which
I want to avoid.

With Hestia Control Panel you can backup and export configuration so if
you need to move hosts you can do so quickly with little fuss. Once you
have it set up on a home server or a VPS it should run for years with
little or no problems. The team of programmers that develops HestiaCP
are hosting providers and administrators who use it in production so it
should be around for a long time.

To back up your email folders from the server use rsync over SSH or SFTP
to another host or to a physical machine at home. Rsync is efficient and
has worked for me for many years.

-- 
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██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███        always open
██████░░██░░███░░██░░█████░░██░░███        stay spooky
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#50367

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2021-10-04 14:06 +0200
Message-ID<ca7r2ixhra.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>
In reply to#50365
On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>
>> And how do you do this?
> 
> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
> 
> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
> password login and challenge disabled.

That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.

Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
server is not.

(no problem with Linux)

> Option B : use a shared web host with cPanel or WebMin which saves a lot
> of config foo and usually does all your configuration automatically just
> by putting pointing your registrar to the host and adding your domain in
> cPanel. This is a good option for people who don't know Linux command
> line foo.
> 
> Option C : get a VPS or single board at home and install something like
> HestiaCP, WebMin, cPanel. I like hestiaCP. It's like cPanel but free and
> open source. I've not had a hiccup with it. HestiaCP creates all your
> DNS records, manages your clamav, mail, package updates, firewall, and
> ssl certificates automatically. It lets you administer everything on the
> server with a web browser interface. There is some major shell power
> under the hood and lots of command line options so you can manage it
> over SSH if you want.
> 
> I mostly use option B and C with my setups. Option A is a lot more work
> and I'd rather play with spiders than mess with a monster pile of config
> code, especially trying to make bind play nice. I also dislike manually
> configuring IPtables--never a pleasure and easy to get wrong then
> painful to troubleshoot. If I need to jump ship to another machine or
> host, I would likely need to configure everything all over again, which
> I want to avoid.
> 
> With Hestia Control Panel you can backup and export configuration so if
> you need to move hosts you can do so quickly with little fuss. Once you
> have it set up on a home server or a VPS it should run for years with
> little or no problems. The team of programmers that develops HestiaCP
> are hosting providers and administrators who use it in production so it
> should be around for a long time.
> 
> To back up your email folders from the server use rsync over SSH or SFTP
> to another host or to a physical machine at home. Rsync is efficient and
> has worked for me for many years.
> 


So, there is no easy solution, it is not "just setup your own domain".
You need to "somehow" setup your own mail server, either at home, or
rented. And maintain it, either fully or partially.


-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#50368

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2021-10-04 14:11 +0100
Message-ID<20211004141103.ddfcd0dc879994ac5e26d46a@eircom.net>
In reply to#50367
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:06:04 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.

	You only *need* a public one, it is possible to operate with a
dynamic public IP using dynamic DNS - every domain provider I know of also
provides free DNS with DDNS support, there are other options (such as
Hurricane Electric's free DNS service). A fixed IP address does avoid a
little bouncing retrying when it changes but SMTP MTAs are robust things
that have a long history of delivering over unreliable networks.

> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
> server is not.[4 yorkshiremen]

	An incoming delivery only (no relaying permitted) server coupled
with an IMAP/POP3 server is pretty trivial to set up, at least as long as
you keep the IMAP/POP3 on the LAN so you don't have to worry about it being
attacked - I VPN to my LAN when travelling rather than deal with exposing
services externally.

	Sending outgoing mail directly is a nightmare of the first order
subject to sudden death when someone else spammed with the dynamic IP you
just picked up - bad craziness! But then every ISP I know of provides an
outgoing mail relay so just use that if it works or find one that does
(my ISP's doesn't so I use the free tier of a commercial email delivery
service whose main business is ensuring delivery for big companies).

	It did take some fiddling to set up the arrangement I have, but
it's maintenance free apart from keeping OS and packages up to date.

[4 yorkshiremen] For a while on my first home internet connection with
Demon I used Demon's packaged ka9q on MSDOS which included an SMTP server
to which Demon would deliver mail for my domain (a subdomain of demon.co.uk)
and any subdomains of it I cared to use. While I was online mail would
be delivered directly to it using the static IP address provided as part
of the service and configured as the primary MX. This, along with email,
ftp, usenet and telnet clients all built in under ka9q's multitasker, was an
effortless "install and use it" thing provided gratis by the ISP back in
1992.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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#50393

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2021-10-05 10:28 +0200
Message-ID<7uet2ix6fv.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>
In reply to#50368
On 04/10/2021 15.11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:06:04 +0200
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
> 
> 	You only *need* a public one, it is possible to operate with a
> dynamic public IP using dynamic DNS - every domain provider I know of also
> provides free DNS with DDNS support, there are other options (such as
> Hurricane Electric's free DNS service). A fixed IP address does avoid a
> little bouncing retrying when it changes but SMTP MTAs are robust things
> that have a long history of delivering over unreliable networks.

Problem is, there are servers that require reverse DNS to work, and here
with dynamic address it will probably not. Other servers will detect it
is a dynamic address and refuse to talk to you upfront. And of course,
it can happen that somebody tries to send an email to me the instant the
DNS changes and goes to the wrong machine; at best it doesn't respond
and tries again later; at worst it goes to another home mail server.

> 
>> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
>> server is not.[4 yorkshiremen]
> 
> 	An incoming delivery only (no relaying permitted) server coupled
> with an IMAP/POP3 server is pretty trivial to set up, at least as long as
> you keep the IMAP/POP3 on the LAN so you don't have to worry about it being
> attacked - I VPN to my LAN when travelling rather than deal with exposing
> services externally.

I know, because I have one. As to being easy to maintain...


> 
> 	Sending outgoing mail directly is a nightmare of the first order
> subject to sudden death when someone else spammed with the dynamic IP you
> just picked up - bad craziness! But then every ISP I know of provides an
> outgoing mail relay so just use that if it works or find one that does
> (my ISP's doesn't so I use the free tier of a commercial email delivery
> service whose main business is ensuring delivery for big companies).

And there your plan goes bad, because *here* every ISP I know refuses to
set up an outgoing mail relay.

All ISPs I tried only allow you sending email IF your From address
belongs to their pool (which can be a single host).

As to a commercial email delivery, didn't find any. Not "free", certainly.



> 	It did take some fiddling to set up the arrangement I have, but
> it's maintenance free apart from keeping OS and packages up to date.
> 
> [4 yorkshiremen] For a while on my first home internet connection with
> Demon I used Demon's packaged ka9q on MSDOS which included an SMTP server
> to which Demon would deliver mail for my domain (a subdomain of demon.co.uk)
> and any subdomains of it I cared to use. While I was online mail would
> be delivered directly to it using the static IP address provided as part
> of the service and configured as the primary MX. This, along with email,
> ftp, usenet and telnet clients all built in under ka9q's multitasker, was an
> effortless "install and use it" thing provided gratis by the ISP back in
> 1992.
> 


-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#50397

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2021-10-05 10:44 +0100
Message-ID<20211005104434.0b092c8572f3059a5587906b@eircom.net>
In reply to#50393
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:28:23 +0200
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> As to a commercial email delivery, didn't find any. Not "free", certainly.

	Email me (steve at sohara dot org) if you want to know which one I'm
using - it's free for up to 2000 emails per month (they quote prices up to
1.5 million per month after that they want to talk and make a deal) and
hasn't let me down yet.

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Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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#50372

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2021-10-04 14:21 +0000
Message-ID<sjf2kg$h9h$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#50367
In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>>
>>> And how do you do this?
>> 
>> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
>> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>> 
>> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
>> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
>> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
>> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
>> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
>> password login and challenge disabled.
> 
> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
> 
> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
> server is not.

Setting up a mailserver for a single domain at home using Postfix 
involves editing about four to five lines of the default Postfix config 
file (and the config file is heavily commented, 90%+ is comments 
describing what each option performs).

It comes, out of the box, already configured for this use-case (single 
domain), and all you are telling it by the edits is little more than 
what your domain name is so it knows who to send/receive as and what IP 
addresses are used on your local network.

Long gone are the days of sendmail.cf files and arcane M4 macros (both 
still exist if you prefer that).  But Postfix makes it nearly 'turnkey' 
for setting one up.  And that default setup is also secure overall as 
well.

Postfix has also been quite good at forward compatibility, seldom does 
an old config file fail to 'configure' a newer version, so 
"maintaining" is more often than not a "shutdown, upgrade to new 
version, restart" cycle for the mailserver.

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#50373

FromBranimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com>
Date2021-10-04 15:29 +0000
Message-ID<G5F6J.218785$T_8.153246@fx48.iad>
In reply to#50372
On 2021-10-04, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> 
>>> [...]
>>> 
>>>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>>>
>>>> And how do you do this?
>>> 
>>> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
>>> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>>> 
>>> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
>>> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
>>> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
>>> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
>>> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
>>> password login and challenge disabled.
>> 
>> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
>> 
>> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
>> server is not.
>
> Setting up a mailserver for a single domain at home using Postfix 
> involves editing about four to five lines of the default Postfix config 
> file (and the config file is heavily commented, 90%+ is comments 
> describing what each option performs).
>

I have my own smtp server, but don't feel the need to do that :P
as i wuold be only user :P



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#50396

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2021-10-05 11:04 +0200
Message-ID<k2ht2ixnh.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>
In reply to#50372
On 04/10/2021 16.21, Rich wrote:
> In sci.crypt Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>>>
>>>> And how do you do this?
>>>
>>> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
>>> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>>>
>>> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
>>> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
>>> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
>>> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
>>> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
>>> password login and challenge disabled.
>>
>> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.
>>
>> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
>> server is not.
> 
> Setting up a mailserver for a single domain at home using Postfix 
> involves editing about four to five lines of the default Postfix config 
> file (and the config file is heavily commented, 90%+ is comments 
> describing what each option performs).

You don't have to sell me that, all my machines have a working postfix
and some also have a working dovecot server as well.

Fortunately, port 25 is not blocked here.

Keeping that working on internet, and tracking every time an email fails
to send or receive, is a job.

Like some destination not accepting your emails because XXX. Mailing the
mail admin there - oops, bounces. Ooops, account full. Ooops, I have to
contact them on a web form instead, or via phone, or via fax...

No, thank you.

Using an ISP relay server? Unknown concept here.




No, the only way I would accept the idea of having my own domain for
email would be telling a commercial mail provider to use my domain
instead of their domain. If I change mail provider, I carry my domain to
another mail provider.

Whether that is possible here, I do not know for sure. Was not possible
20 years ago or i did not find it.



-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#50377

Fromlawrence@cluon.com (Lawrence Statton (NK1G))
Date2021-10-04 13:42 -0500
Message-ID<87h7dw7htu.fsf@cluon.com>
In reply to#50367
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
> On 04/10/2021 05.57, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>> On 10/3/21 6:31 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>>>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>>>
>>> And how do you do this?
>> 
>> TL;DR : Hestia Control Panel -- https://hestiacp.com/
>> Instant solution : namecheap.com hosting
>> 
>> Option A : become mired to your eyeballs in Linux / BSD administration
>> and set up networking, hosts, bind for DNS, and a mail server,
>> interface, MTA, and your DKMS, and SSL certificates using
>> Acme/LetsEncrypt. If you want heavy-duty security, maybe run with
>> FreeBSD and do everything with SSH using ECC key authentication with
>> password login and challenge disabled.
>
> That is, install a mail server at home. Requires a fixed IP.

That is *one way* to skin that cat.  It is probably the most
straight-forward, but is by no means the only way.

> Having my own domain is trivial, setting up and maintaining a mail
> server is not.

It's a skill no harder than learning to play checkers.  Perhaps I have
observation bias because I've been doing it for thirty years for
fun-and-money, but never has it been "difficult".

--
Lawrence - NK1G 
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#51022

FromUlick Magee <ulickmagee@feckoff.invalid>
Date2021-11-09 23:55 +0000
Message-ID<smf1pp$1i09$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#50334
On 03/10/2021 12:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 02/10/2021 18.12, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
>>
>> All youngsters and nascent hackers:
>>
>> 1. Register a domain name and never lose it.
>>
>> 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to
>> check yearly.
>>
>> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
> 
> And how do you do this?


This is what I use:

https://www.blacknight.com/email-only/

I bought my domain from them too, works out at 20 euro a year for email 
hosting and the domain, incl VAT.

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